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Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
alwan64
Date:
2009-03-13
Time: 12:30:50
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The Book of Isaiah 2 , except for some minor
narrations of events, is a collection of
prophecies that are interpreted by Jews and
Christians as being related to the advent of
Isa (AS) 3 (Jesus), especially with the
prophecy: “Therefore the Lord himself shall
give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall
conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his
name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat,
that he may know to refuse the evil, and
choose the good.” (Isaiah 7:14-15) 4
Those Jews who believed in Isa (AS) based
their belief on the fact that Isaiah has
prophesied his coming in his Book while those
who rejected him based their rejection on the
fact the Elijah, a sign for such advent, had
not appeared. The latter group did not
believe Isa (AS) when he told them that
Elijah was Yahya (AS) (John the Baptist). In
Luke it is written: “the word of God came
unto John the son of Zacharias in the
wilderness. And he came into all the country
about Jordan, preaching the baptism of
repentance for the remission of sins; As it
is written in the book of the words of Esaias
the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying
in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the
Lord, make his paths straight.” (3: 2-4)
Apart from the above-unsettled dispute so
far, in the following paragraphs we deal with
other prophecies in the Book of Isaiah, that
is, the prophecies related to Prophet
Muhammad ( SAWS )
First Prophecy
“ For thus hath the LORD said unto me, Go,
set a watchman, let him declare what he
seeth. And he saw a chariot with a couple
of horsemen, a chariot of asses, and a
chariot of camels; and he hearkened
diligently with much heed: And he cried, A
lion: My lord, I stand continually upon the
watchtower in the daytime, and I am set in my
ward whole nights: And, behold, here cometh a
chariot of men, with a couple of horsemen.
And he answered and said, Babylon is fallen,
is fallen; and all the graven images of her
gods he hath broken unto the ground.” (Isaiah
21:6-9)
The above text includes two prophecies of the
coming of two prophets one of whom enters his
city riding an ass and the other enters his
city riding a camel. Isa (AS) entered
Jerusalem on an ass: “And when they drew nigh
unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage,
unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two
disciples, Saying unto them, Go into the
village over against you, and straightway ye
shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her:
loose them, and bring them unto me. And if
any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The
Lord hath need of them; and straightway he
will send them. All this was done, that it
might be fulfilled which was spoken by the
prophet, saying, Tell ye the daughter of
Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee,
meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the
foal of an ass.” (Matthew 21:1-5)
The prophet is Muhammad ( SAWS ) who entered
Makkah on his she-camel called al-Qaswaa.
According to his call idols worshipped with
Allah 5 (SWT) 6 were destroyed .
Second Prophecy
“ The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in
Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye travelling
companies of Dedanim. The inhabitants of the
land of Tema brought water to him that was
thirsty, they prevented with their bread him
that fled. For they fled from the swords,
from the drawn sword, and from the bent bow,
and from the grievousness of war. For thus
hath the LORD said unto me, Within a year,
according to the years of an hireling, and
all the glory of Kedar shall And the residue
of the number of archers, the mighty men of
the children of Kedar, shall be diminished:
for the LORD God of Israel hath spoken it.”
(Isaiah 21:13-17)
The above text is a prophecy of Prophet’s
Muhammad ( SAWS ) hejira 7 to al-Madinah.
Those Dedanims mentioned in the above text
are the descendants of Dadan who was a great
grandfather of Quraysh 8 . The forest in
Arabia is the road between Makkah and
al-Madinah. The order given to the people of
al-Madinah in the prophecy is to meet the
immigrants from Makkah with water and food
and to treat them well was really
accomplished between al-Muhajireen 9 and
al-Ansar 10 .
In his prophecy, Isaiah described
al-Muhajireen as people who fled their
homeland to protect their religion and souls
against the injustice of their enemies. It
also promised that they would prevail at the
end and their enemies shall perish. The sons
of Kedar are not other than Quraysh who
descended from Kedar bin 11 Banayut bin
Isma’il (AS) (Ishmael). The above prophecy
indicates the reduction ion the number of
unbelievers’ cavalry after one or more years
from hejira resembling this to the years of
an hireling who feels the length of time
because of the hardships he encounters. This
reduction was really materialized when many
of the unbelievers of Makkah embraced Islam
and joined the Prophet ( SAWS ) in
al-Madinah. As to the expression the LORD God
of Israel it can be explained based on the
fact that at the time of such prophesy the
religion of Musa (AS) (Moses) was the only
religion while the unbelievers used to
worship Beelzebub and idols .
Third Prophecy
“ I the LORD have called thee in
righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and
will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant
of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
To open the blind eyes, to bring out the
prisoners from the prison, and them that sit
in darkness out of the prison house. I am
the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will
I not give to another, neither my praise to
graven images. Behold, the former things are
come to pass, and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise
from the end of the earth, ye that go down to
the sea, and all that is therein; the isles,
and the inhabitants thereof. Let the
wilderness and the cities thereof lift up
their voice, the villages that Kedar doth
inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock
sing, let them shout from the top of the
mountains. Let them give glory unto the LORD,
and declare his praise in the islands. The
LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall
stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall
cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his
enemies. ….. They shall be turned back, they
shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in
graven images, that say to the molten images,
Ye are our gods.” (Isaiah 42:6-17)
This is a double prophecy one was to be
achieved earlier (6-8), that is, the prophecy
of Isa (AS) whom Allah (SWT) calls the
righteous and gives him the covenant for his
people. His call would be the light for the
blind nations, which may be interpreted as
sending the disciples before he was lifted 12
to Heaven to preach: “And he said unto
them, Go ye into all the world, and preach
the gospel to every creature.” (Mark 16:15)
After that Isaiah clearly indicates that this
would come to happen earlier “Behold, the
former things are come to pass, and new
things do I declare:” This new prophecy is “a
new song” from the land of Kedar . Kedar is
the son of Banayut bin Isma’il (AS). His land
is Makkah and the new song is the sound of
azan . 13
In light of all this, it is clear that this
second prophecy is related to Prophet
Muhammad ( SAWS ). This is asserted more with
the sentences “let the inhabitants of the
rock sing, let them shout from the top of the
mountains. Let them give glory unto the LORD”
which refer clearly to the sound of talbiyah
1 4 from the top of Mount Arafat . Isn’t it
clear that these are the Muslims and their
Prophet ( SAWS ) who would prevail over their
enemies, “he shall prevail against his
enemies ”?
Fourth Prophecy
“ Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear;
break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou
that didst not travail with child: for more
are the children of the desolate than the
children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them
stretch forth the curtains of thine
habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords,
and strengthen thy stakes; For thou shalt
break forth on the right hand and on the
left; and thy seed shall inherit the
Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be
inhabited. Fear not; for thou shalt not be
ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou
shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt
forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not
remember the reproach of thy widowhood any
more. For thy Maker is thine husband; the
LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer
the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole
earth shall he be called. …. O thou
afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not
comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with
fair colours, and lay thy foundations with
sapphires. And I will make thy windows of
agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all
thy borders of pleasant stones. And all thy
children shall be taught of the LORD; and
great shall be the peace of thy children. In
righteousness shalt thou be established: thou
shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt
not fear: and from terror; for it shall not
come near thee. Behold, they shall surely
gather together, but not by me: whosoever
shall gather together against thee shall fall
for Behold, I have created the smith that
bloweth the coals in the fire, and that
bringeth forth an instrument for his work;
and I have created the waster to destroy. No
weapon that is formed against thee shall
prosper; and every tongue that shall rise
against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the
LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith
the LORD.” (Isaiah 54:1-17 (
It is well known that prophets use symbols
and parables in their prophecies. In light of
this in addition to the knowledge of history,
we can say the following :
The barren mentioned in the prophecy that did
not give birth before is Makkah. It is thus
described because it did not have a prophet
from the time of Isma’il (AS) who came to it
with his mother Hajar (RA) 15 after her
husband prophet Ibrahim (AS) (Abraham) left
them alone in the desert upon the order of
Allah (SWT). The offspring of Isma’il (AS) is
the Adnans, the sons of the desolate woman
who would be, according to the prophecy, more
than those of the married woman, that is,
Sarah (RA) with whom Ibrahim (AS) remained
and who is the grandmother of the Israelites.
The description of Makkah as being ‘barren’
should be understood in the context of
comparing its scarcity of prophets with the
plethora of prophets who came from Jerusalem
. The prophecy said that Makkah would reach
right and left, that is, the new religion
would prevail east and west .
“ thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of
hosts is his name” means that the creator of
Makkah is Allah (SWT) whom the Jews used to
call “LORD of hosts” to distinguish Him from
the other peoples’ gods. “The God of the
whole earth shall he be called” means that
the new call shall not be limited to one
nation; rather, it would be for all people.
Islam, unlike Judaism, is really for the
entire world .
The prophecy refers to Ka’ba, its rebuilding,
and the coming of the believers to it in
crowds. Believers are describes as the sons
of Allah (SWT). This is really the case of
hajjs 16 . The prophecy also indicates that
no enemy shall conquer Makkah. Remember
Abraha the Abyssinian who tried to destroy
Ka’ba but Allah (SWT) destroyed him and his
army .
Fifth Prophecy
“ Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and
the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
For, behold, the darkness shall cover the
earth, and gross darkness the people: but the
LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory
shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles
shall come to thy light, and kings to the
brightness of thy rising. Lift up thine eyes
round about, and see: all they gather
themselves together, they come to thee: thy
sons shall come from far, and thy daughters
shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt
see, and flow together, and thine heart shall
fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance
of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the
forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the
dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they
from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold
and incense; and they shall shew forth the
praises of the LORD. All the flocks of Kedar
shall be gathered together unto thee, the
rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee:
they shall come up with acceptance on mine
altar, and I will glorify the house of my
glory. Who are these that fly as a cloud, and
as the doves to their windows? Surely the
isles shall wait for me, and the ships of
Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far,
their silver and their gold with them, unto
the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy
One of Israel, because he hath glorified
thee.” (Isaiah 60:1-9 (
A description of Makkah and Ka’ba at the time
of hajj 17 cannot be more exact than the
above description mentioned by Isaiah in 701
B.C. It is a description that fits Makkah
since creation and until the Day of Judgment.
It is the site that emanates light through
the surrounding darkness and all people there
are equal in praising Allah (SWT ).
Isaiah describes the condition of hajjs:
people who come from far places. They are the
sons and Makkah is the mother (remember they
were described previously as the sons of
Allah). Makkah would be happy with the coming
of these crowds with their monies and goods;
it is a consummation of worldly benefits as
well as heavenly ones: “all they from Sheba
shall come: they shall bring gold and
incense; and they shall shew forth the
praises of the LORD.” In the Noble Qur’an
Allah (SWT) says what can be translated as
“And announce to mankind the Pilgrimage; they
shall come up (hurriedly) to you on foot and
upon every slender (conveyance); they shall
definitely come up from every deep ravine.
That they may witness (things) profitable to
them and mention the Name of Allah on days
well-known over such brute cattle as He has
provided them. So eat thereof, and feed the
miserable poor.” (TMQ 18 ) 22: 27 -28 (
The description of Isaiah is further asserted
by mentioning the bringing of the sheep of
Kedar that are sacrifices at the altar of
Allah (SWT). It is a clear description of the
sacrifices submitted by the hajjs .
The prophecy sets the scene as being the land
of the sons of Kedar in Arabia . The
description reaches the most exact point in
describing how the hajjs would come to Makkah
from around the world to perform hajj. It
even mentions that some of them would come
flying: “Who are these that fly as a cloud,
and as the doves to their windows?” even
before planes were invented while others
would come by land or sea .
Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS ) in Habakkuk’s
Prophecies
“ God came from Teman, and the Holy One from
mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the
heavens, and the earth was full of his
praise.” (Habakkuk 3:3 (
This prophecy indicates the descent of
Judaism on Musa (AS) in the land of Teman ,
that is, Sinai. It refers to the descent of
the Noble Qur’an in land of Paran , that is,
Makkah. At that time light would spread all
over the world and glory and praise of Allah
(SWT) would prevail forever .
Do not take the above for granted. Read more
and try to get rid of your bias. Read about
the problematic issues regarding the history
of the Bible, the tampering with the
so-called Sacred Texts, the dumping of many
bibles just because that asserted that Isa
(AS) was just a prophet and he was never the
actual son of Allah (SWT) etc. Then try to
think carefully and logically in order to
choose the right path and to be sure that
Muhammad is the last prophet and the true
successor of Isa (AS (.
References
Islam in Ancient Scriptures and Prophet’s
Books by Dr. Muhammad Mahmoud Said
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1- Salla Allah alayhe Wa Salam [All Prayers
and Peace of Allah be upon him].
2- The Book of Isaiah is one of the most
important books of the Old Testament. While
little is known of the personal life of the
prophet, he is considered to be one of the
greatest of them all. The book is a
collection of oracles, prophecies, and
reports; but the common theme is the message
of salvation .
3- Alayhe as-Salam [All Peace of Allah be
upon him] .
4- All the quotation are taken from King
James Bible (2000) .
5- The word Allah is the Arabic term for
God. Although the use of the word "Allah" is
most often associated with Islam, it is not
used exclusively by Muslims; Arab Christians
and Arabic-speaking Jews also use it to refer
to the One God. The Arabic word expresses the
unique characteristics of the One God more
precisely than the English term. Whereas the
word "Allah" has no plural form in Arabic,
the English form does. Allah is the God
worshipped by all Prophets, from Adam to
Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad .
6- Suhanahu wa Ta'ala [Glorified and
Exalted Be He] .
7- Immigration from Makkah to al-Madinah .
8- Prophet Muhammad’s ( SAWS ) tribe. Its
pedigree leads to Prophet Isma’il (AS) .
9- The immigrants from Makkah .
10- The residents of Madienah .
11- Arabic word for ‘the son of’; it is
sometimes written as ‘Ibn’ if it comes ate
the beginning of the sentences .
12- As Muslims, we believe that Isa (AS)
was lifted and not crucifies, a belief shared
by many Christians and many dropped Bibles .
13- Call for prayer .
14- Praise of Allah (SWT) at time of hajj
.
15- Radya Allah anhu/anha [May Allah be
pleased with him/her].
16- Muslim pilgrims who go to Makkah to
perform hajj .
17- Pilgrimage
18- Translation of the Meaning of the
Qur'an. This translation is for the realized
meaning, so far, of the stated (Surah:Ayah)
of the Qur'an. Reading the translated
meaning of the Qur'an can never replace
reading it in Arabic, the language in which
it was revealed
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-03-13
Time: 12:34:52
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alwan--- ask one of your prophets whats going
to win the Cheltenham Gold Cup this
afternoon--- come back on here with his
answer...... |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
socrates
Date:
2009-03-13
Time: 12:47:34
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So after reading all that turged scriptoral
claptrap, in essence we infidels can only
really understand it if we learn Arabic? A
great way of getting a message across ie. in
a language most people do not speak. I
suggest you start reading some philosophy
(Kant/Descartes/Hegel etc.) instead of the
words of an ancient Warlord who was good at
fooling those around him. Perhaps then you
migt get an insight into human nature |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-03-13
Time: 12:49:28
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alwan-- your prophets slow-- don`t he know
whats going to win the gold cup --- he`s
useless -- give him the elbow...... |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
suze
Date:
2009-03-13
Time: 12:50:03
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alwan
try giving some returning soldiers some
grief
itll give us all a respite from being on the
end of your inferiority complex |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-03-13
Time: 12:53:08
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Last time I saw Jesus and mohammed, they were
in the bottom of my garden playing with the
fairies..... they were very young fairies---
suggests they could be paedofiles...... |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
suze
Date:
2009-03-13
Time: 12:56:25
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well i do believe theres a bit of previous
with mohammed where paedo activities are
concerned
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
socrates
Date:
2009-03-13
Time: 12:59:24
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So in essence you are saying that Allah was
so careless about getting his message across,
it was given in a language most people do not
speak. Very clever of him. Perhaps instead of
preaching the rantings of an ancient
illiterate Warlord with a desire for power
and political/geographical hegemony, you
could do more good by supporting the likes of
Oxfam or other like charities - after all,
these people actually DO SOMETHING GOOD,
instead of bleating on about non-existant
fire-and-brimstone entity that causes nothing
but untold strife between people. Other than
that, you could try getting a life. |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-03-14
Time: 09:41:07
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Allah is sitting on the rubbish dump, with
his mate mohammed.Also on this tip are god,
Jesus, Zeus, Jupiter, Totem Poles, and all
other equally intellegent deities. |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
soul_survivor
Date:
2009-03-14
Time: 09:46:24
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Where is Allah? Allah is in your heart Jolly
my good man 
Seriously though, he told me he was popping
out for 5 minutes, but you know what these
non-temporal and omnipotent beings are like -
he probably just lost track of time and will
be back in say.. a millenia or two.  |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
jakoben1789
Date:
2009-03-14
Time: 20:53:01
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this is not right place for this topic.where
s united kingdom ?
where is Prophet Muhammad?
its like [censored]s pray in the church |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
socrates
Date:
2009-03-14
Time: 21:37:23
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Ignore this brainwashed automatum :
"A fanatic is someone who can't change his
mind, and won't change the subject"
Now that IS from the UK - W.S.Churchill. |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-03-15
Time: 11:58:38
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alwan look this up--- Corinthians
book2--chapter3--verse4----
The Lord said unto Moses
All people shall have round noses,
All except Aaronn, & he`ll have a square`un,
If don`t want a square`un,
He`ll get naer``un.......... |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
wejnos
Date:
2009-03-15
Time: 13:20:33
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Does anybody what became of keepopenminded?
He was never off these threads at one point
with a similar message as this guy. |
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just one place where alwan went
wrong as usual |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-05-07
Time: 13:15:37
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ALWAN 64 spammed :
Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS ) in Habakkuk’s
Prophecies
“ God came from Teman, and the Holy One from
mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the
heavens, and the earth was full of his
praise.” (Habakkuk 3:3 (
This prophecy indicates the descent of
Judaism on Musa (AS) in the land of Teman ,
that is, Sinai. It refers to the descent of
the Noble Qur’an in land of Paran , that is,
Makkah. At that time light would spread all
over the world and glory and praise of Allah
(SWT) would prevail forever .
Do not take the above for granted. Read more
and try to get rid of your bias. Read about
the problematic issues regarding the history
of the Bible, the tampering with the
so-called Sacred Texts, the dumping of many
bibles just because that asserted that Isa
(AS) was just a prophet and he was never the
actual son of Allah (SWT) etc. Then try to
think carefully and logically in order to
choose the right path and to be sure that
Muhammad is the last prophet and the true
successor of Isa (AS (.
SO WE HAVE TO GET RID OF OUR BIAS. how so
WHY POINTING OUT THE TRUTH
AND ASKING WHY MUSLIMS LIE ALL THE TIME
the truth of recorded history
PARAN
Heb: meaning "place of caverns".
Name of the place where Hagar and Ishmael
went to when they were sent away by Abraham
(Genesis 21:21), and where Ishmael continued
to grow. Muslims argue that Paran refers to
the Arabian desert and that Mt. Paran is the
Sarawat Mountains. Accordingly, Muslims
argued that Habbakkuk 3:3 is a prophecy of
Muhammad :
God (his guidance) came from Teman, and the
Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory
covered the heavens, and the earth was full
of his praise. (Habbakkuk 3:3) (Mishael ibn
Abdullah al-Kadhi, What did Jesus say?, 1997,
Chapter 6:4).
There are two main problems with this. The
first is of course that the prophecy has
nothing to do with Muhammad. Notice that
Mishael put in parenthesis "(his guidance)"
in order to apply it to Muhammad, who was
supposed to come from Teman. The Bible simply
refers to God. This is an abuse of scripture.
The second problem is of course that (the
Wilderness of) Paran in the Bible is not
Arabia. The traditional view is that Paran is
in the Sinai Peninsula, starting at Kadesh
Barnea, which is south of Israel. Consider
the following:
Hadad the Edomite, during the reign of
Solomon, escaped to Egypt when he was a boy
(1 Kings 11:17). "They set out from Midian
and went to Paran. Then taking men from Paran
with them, they went to Egypt..." (1 Kings
11:8-19). To think that Hadad set out from
Midian (which is south east (SE) of Israel,
near the Sinai in the Arabian Peninsula, go
up north east east (NEE) to "Paran" (Mecca),
then somehow end up in Egypt (south west of
Mecca) is unthinkable as it involves a
divertion of hundreds of miles
The Israelites left Sinai (after receiving
the Law) for the Desert of Paran (Numbers
10:12), on the way passing through Kibroth
Hattavah (Numbers 11:34), Hazeroth (Numbers
12:16), and settling at Kadesh [Barnea] of
Paran (Numbers 13:26), which is the northern
part of the desert. From Paran, spies were
sent to Canaan to check out the land (Numbers
13:3). The spies' exploration took them from
Paran through the Desert of Zin (south of
Israel), Rehob, Lebo Hamath, Negev, Hebron
(Numbers 13:21-22). The southern boundary of
the Israelite promised land is given as "Your
southern side will include some of the Desert
of Zin along the border of Edom. On the east,
your southern boundary wll start from the end
of the Salt Sea [i.e. Dead Sea], cross south
of the Scorpion Pass, continue on to Zin and
go south of Kadesh Barnea. Then it will go to
Hazar Addar and over to Azmon, where it will
turn, join the Wadi of Egypt and end at the
Sea [i.e., Mediterranean]" (Numbers 34:3-5).
Zin and Kadesh are clearly to the south of
Israel, so to demand that Paran is on the
east of Israel requies an impossible
boundary.
The above verses also show that Moses and the
Israelites were at Paran. But if Paran is
Mecca, and that Moses is a prophet of Islam,
then the obvious conclusion is that Moses was
at Mecca and that he must have worshipped at
the Ka'aba. Nothing of this sort is ever
suggested by any Muslim. It also means that
the whole group of Israelites (many thousands
of them) passed through Mecca. .... long
before mohammed ...
Ishmael married an Egyptian. Mecca is more
than 700 miles away from Egypt, and getting
an Egyptian wife seems a little too far.
Although this is not conclusive, getting an
Egyptian wife from the Sinai Peninsula is
more probable.
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 11:55:09
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Whoever they were who made up all these
stories of muhammeds, and allah`s ...and of
cousre jesus and god, and most other deities
---- have they got something to answer for--
-- as do the clowns who keep trying to spread
this drivel...
...STOP,,,and tell us about Mother Earth,our
lovely planet and how everything really works
--- NOT silly pie in the sky gods -- how
gullible are you.....? |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
socrates
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 13:37:54
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"Once blasphemy against God was the greatest
blasphemy...but God died. To blaspheme
against (Mother) Earth is now the dreadfulist
sin or to rate the unknowable higher than the
Earth"
In other words, let us cherish what we have
here: on Earth, the Earth that feeds and
sustains us. Not some imaginary deity which
engenders strife and conflict.
Thus spake Zarathustra. |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad ( SAWS 1 ) in
Isaiah’s Prophecies |
socrates
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 20:21:20
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Because strictly speaking, Islam cannot
accept other religions being equal - those of
another religion should have Dhimmi status
(second class citizens), whilst their
ultimate aim is a worldwide Umma (A Global
Muslim Community). One only has to read
reports of Saudi TV/News, which openly refers
to Jews etc. as pigs/apes. A wonderful
religion, don't you think? |
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