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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
until now in gaza is that fair |
hoofydoolittle
Date:
2009-01-07
Time: 12:37:39
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Neither is the arms that are sold by America
to places such as Isreal. It's all money,
greed, politics, religion, and hatred. There
is too much invested in the war-machine and
arms deals. |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
until now in gaza is that fair |
chris20
Status: Admin
Date:
2009-01-07
Time: 14:03:40
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They have, for 3 hours. 
Those Israeli's... too kind for their own
good. |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
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chris20
Status: Admin
Date:
2009-01-07
Time: 14:06:41
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Oh, those hours are up apparently.
"LATEST: Israeli artillery fire reported to
have resumed on the Gaza/Israel border after
three-hour ceasefire. More soon"
Oh well, I'm sure the Palestinians
appreciated it while it lasted. |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
until now in gaza is that fair |
xxhannababe
Date:
2009-01-07
Time: 14:36:16
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Funny how Hamas and others are always the
first to employ terrorist tactics to get what
they want, but then are also the first to
whine when Israel quite rightly responds
strongly.
Dont forget, the palestinians and Iranians
are on record as saying that the state of
Israel should be wiped from the face of the
earth.
Theres no reasoning with people who can say
such things, they deserve all they get.
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
until now in gaza is that fair |
gdawg
Date:
2009-01-07
Time: 16:26:06
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it does really appear to be (as the saying
goes) six of one and half a dozen of the
other.
both sides employing the media,both using
aggressive and incendiary rhetoric.
israel,HAMAS and the american presidental
candidates.(including hilary  and barack
but if you look on~line at some of the quotes
attributed to obama his position/dialogue
alters the more he becomes the likely
nominee.
perhaps that's what he's talking about when
he speaks of change!? lol
i'm no linguistic expert,but didn't the
iranian president claim he was mistranslated
and actually called for israel's place in
history/legacy to be erased from memory. |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
until now in gaza is that fair |
xxhannababe
Date:
2009-01-07
Time: 19:16:33
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Will this do zogzog?......
Israel should be wiped off map, says Iran's
president
* Ewen MacAskill and Chris McGreal in
Jerusalem
* The Guardian, Thursday 27 October 2005
* Article history
Iran's new president created a sense of
outrage in the west yesterday by describing
Israel as a "disgraceful blot" that should be
"wiped off the face of the earth". Mahmoud
Ahmadinejad who is more hardline than his
predecessor, told students in Tehran that a
new wave of Palestinian attacks would be
enough to finish off Israel.
The populist leader's comments, reported by
the state-run media, come at a time when
Tehran is under pressure over its suspect
nuclear weapons ambitions and alleged
involvement in attacks on British troops in
Iraq.
He said: "Anybody who recognises Israel will
burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's
fury, [while] any [Islamic leader] who
recognises the Zionist regime means he is
acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the
Islamic world." He was addressing a
conference titled The World Without Zionism.
His speech was immediately condemned by the
US, Britain, France, Germany and Israel. The
Foreign Office could not recall a similar
statement from a senior Iranian leader since
the former president Hashemi Rafsanjani five
years ago called for a Muslim state to
annihilate Israel with a nuclear strike.
Since then, there has been a mild thaw in
relations between Muslim states, including
Arab ones, and Israel.
But Mr Ahmadinejad rejected compromise:
"There is no doubt that the new wave [of
attacks] in Palestine will wipe off this
stigma [Israel] from the face of the Islamic
world." Recalling the late Ayatollah Ruhollah
Khomeini, leader of Iran's Islamic
revolution, he said: "As the imam said,
Israel must be wiped off the map."
The US and Britain are leading a push to have
Iran referred to the UN security council next
month because of fears that it is covertly
engaged in securing a nuclear weapons
capability by deciding to restart a uranium
conversion programme, an early step towards
such an ability. Tehran has repeatedly said
its programme is for civil use only.
Both the US and Britain saw their fears about
Mr Ahmadinejad's election confirmed when he
made a fiery speech at a UN summit in New
York in September. His predecessor, Muhammad
Khatami, had tried to improve links with the
west and been less vocal in condemnation of
Israel.
The US said the president's remarks proved
the accuracy of Washington's fears. "I think
it reconfirms what we have been saying about
the regime. It underscores the concerns we
have about Iran's nuclear intentions," Scott
McClellan, the White House press secretary,
said.
Mark Regev, an Israeli foreign ministry
spokesman, said: "Unfortunately this is not
the first time that we've heard such an
extremist message from the Iranian
leadership. I think there is a growing
understanding in the international community
that the regime is not Israel's problem
alone, but a problem the entire international
community must grapple with."
Israel views Iran as its main security threat
in the Middle East. The defence minister,
Shaul Mofaz, has said Tehran could be capable
of developing a nuclear weapon within months
and that there is a need for urgent action to
prevent that.
Israel has issued thinly veiled threats
against Iran's nuclear programme if
diplomatic efforts fail and is buying 500
"bunker-buster" bombs from the US that could
be used to destroy the facilities. The
Israeli foreign minister, Silvan Shalom,
raised the question of the nuclear programme
with the visiting Russian foreign minister,
Sergei Lavrov, in Jerusalem yesterday. Russia
is selling nuclear fuel for the reactors to
Iran, despite Israel's objections.
France and Germany expressed concern about Mr
Ahmadinejad's remarks yesterday.
Jean-Baptiste Mattei, a French foreign
ministry spokesman, said: "We have noted
press articles reporting the comments of
President Ahmadinejad. If these comments were
indeed made, we condemn them with the utmost
firmness." A German foreign ministry
spokesman, Walter Lindner, said: "Should
these comments have actually been made, they
are completely unacceptable and to be
condemned in the sharpest terms." |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
until now in gaza is that fair |
niagarafalls
Date:
2009-01-07
Time: 19:23:40
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Zoo Zog, you are right in that it is wrong as
usual. But, you are trying to part the waters
again. You are trying to establish a equal
divide and through humanitarian beliefs you
are insisting that the waters being divided
creates a clear path to neutrality,or a safe
place to be .And this is clearly not the case
at all.
Those waters are tri sections and terrorism
is the third part.There is no side stepping
that fact and no way to deny (it) .Altering
the truth only serves you in that it allows
you to to say, it is wrong,stop it.
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Whereas the truth is it is wrong, the
question is ,how can it be fixed?
Bandaid policy's only create a fix on a
crutch. A fix on a crutch falls apart every
time. And that is called post delay the
problem, move it over in time ,make it seem
as though something of a fix has been
applied. Sooth the masses. Out of sight out
of mind.
There is no way to equally divide the issue.
Is there? What's a terrorist right? |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
until now in gaza is that fair |
chris20
Status: Admin
Date:
2009-01-08
Time: 08:40:06
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Rockets fired from Lebanon into Israel.
Israel responded with artillery.
No group claiming responsibility yet.
The headlines were starting to look a bit
more positive last night as well but given
this latest incident who knows what will
happen next.
Who would want to escalate the situation?
The fact that someone does is pretty bizarre
and worrying. |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
until now in gaza is that fair |
xxhannababe
Date:
2009-01-08
Time: 11:16:29
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So zogzog thought he ' made it clear' he was
looking for a ' full translation' did he?
Frankly zogzog I couldnt give a crap what
your looking for, if you feel the need to be
pedantic and split hairs about something that
everybody else is perfectly clear on that
your problem and I suggest you find your own
' full translation'
Its insufferable moderates like yourself that
gives hope to islamic fundamentalist
terrorists everywhere.
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
until now in gaza is that fair |
chris20
Status: Admin
Date:
2009-01-08
Time: 11:37:26
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Iranfocus dot com have it:
Transcript of speech by Iranian President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at “World Without
Zionism” conference in Tehran
Reported by Iranian government-owned news
agency ISNA on 26 October 2005 at 13:10 local
time
(for original Persian text see: [censored]www
.isna.ir/Main/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-603209)
Tehran, Iran, Oct. 28 – Iranian President
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made a keynote speech on
Wednesday at the gathering of 4,000 students
organised by the Association of Islamic
Students Societies. The text follows:
I am grateful to God for giving me the great
pleasure of speaking at this very important
gathering. I thank God for seeing the pious
faces of you, the valiant, aware, God-fearing
and selfless children of the revolution, who
understand with vigilance and intelligence
the most important issues of our times and
are active with great zest and in a decisive
way in the most central issues of the Islamic
world. I thank God for the presence of you
dear young people.
The real question is what is Zionism? No
doubt there have been many discussions in
this conference on this issue and you have
made studies in this regard, and you may know
what I want to emphasize, but it is something
worth mentioning.
We must see what the real story of Palestine
is. Is the conflict in Palestine a war
between some Jews on the one side and Muslims
and non-Jews on the other side? Is it a war
between the Jews and other faiths? Is it the
war of one country with other countries? Is
it the war of one country with the Arab
world? Is the conflict only over the limited
lands of Palestine? I think the answer to all
these questions is negative.
The creation of the regime occupying Al-Qods
(Jerusalem) was a heavy move by the globally
dominant system and Global Arrogance against
the Islamic world. There is a historic battle
going on between the Oppressor World and the
Islamic world and the roots of this conflict
goes back hundreds of years.
In this historic conflict, the fronts have
shifted many times. There were times when the
Muslims had the upper hand and were active
and forward-moving, while the Oppressor World
was on retreat.
Unfortunately, in the past three hundred
years, the Islamic world has been on retreat
in the face of the Oppressor World.
I do not intend to go to the roots of the
issue and I concentrate on a historical
review of the events. In the past one hundred
years, the last trenches of the Islamic world
fell and the Oppressor World created the
regime occupying Al-Qods as the bridgehead
for its domination of the Islamic world.
Bridgehead is a military term in warfare.
When two divisions or armies are fighting
each other, if one side advances and breaks
through the front and captures a piece of
enemy territory and builds up fortifications
and strengthens its hold to make it a base
for further territorial expansion, then we
call this a bridgehead.
The occupying state (Israel) is the
bridgehead of the Oppressor World in the
heart of the Islamic world. They have built a
base to expand their domination to the entire
Islamic world. There is no other raison
d’etre for this entity without this
objective.
The battle that is going on in Palestine
today, therefore, is the frontline of the
conflict between the Islamic world and the
Oppressor World. It is a battle of destiny
that will determine the fate of hundreds of
years of conflict in Palestine.
Today, the Palestinian nation is fighting the
Oppressor World on behalf of the Islamic umma
(nation). Thank God, from the day the
Palestinian nation moved towards an Islamic
struggle with Islamic objectives and an
Islamic environment, and made Islam the
dominating force in its behaviour and
orientation, we have been witnessing the
progress and successes of the Palestinian
nation every day.
I must say that you have chosen a very
valuable title for your gathering [World
Without Zionism">. Many are sowing the
seeds of defeat and despair in this all-out
war between the Islamic world and the Infidel
Front, hoping to dishearten the Islamic
world.
Such people are using words like “it’s not
possible”. They say how could we have a world
without America and Zionism? But you know
well that this slogan and goal can be
achieved and can definitely be realised”.
If we take a look back, we had in our country
a regime that was very violent, anti-popular,
dependent on foreigners, and armed to its
teeth. Members of SAVAK [the Shah’s secret
police"> controlled every move and a
terrible reign of terror existed.
But when the dear Imam [Ruhollah
Khomeini"> said this regime must be
destroyed, and we want a world without a
client state, many of those who claim to be
political gurus and other things said it’s
not possible. The day when the Imam started
his move, all the powers of the world
supported that corrupt regime. Even after the
massacre of Black Friday, the West and the
East and regional powers all supported the
regime. But our nation fought and now for 27
years we have a government that is
independent of America. The Imam said the
domination of the East and the West must be
destroyed, but weak-minded persons, who only
see the little world around them, didn’t
believe him…
Our dear Imam ordered that the occupying
regime in Al-Qods be wiped off the face of
the earth. This was a very wise statement.
The issue of Palestine is not one on which we
could make a piecemeal compromise… This would
mean our defeat. Anyone who would recognize
this state [Israel"> has put his signature
under the defeat of the Islamic world.
In his struggle against the World Arrogance,
our dear Imam targeted the central and
command base of the enemy, namely the
occupying regime in Al-Qods. I have no doubt
that the new wave that has started in dear
Palestine and which we witness today all over
the Islamic world will soon wipe this scourge
of shame from the Islamic world. This can be
done.
We have to watch out for conspiracies. For
more than 50 years, the World Arrogance has
tried to give recognition to the existence of
this fake regime [Israel"> and they have
make many efforts to first stabilize it and
then take further steps.
Some 27 or 28 years ago, they took an
important step in this regard and,
unfortunately, one of the frontline countries
made this mistake, and we hope that country
[Egypt"> will rectify its mistake.
Recently, a new conspiracy has been plotted
and is underway. They have been forced to
evacuate a corner of Palestine and this was
imposed on them by the Palestinian nation.
But they want to sell this as the final
victory and use the evacuation of Gaza and
the creation of a Palestinian state as an
excuse to end the Palestinian cause and
goal.
Today they are making an evil and deceptive
effort to turn the struggle into an internal
conflict of the Islamic world. They want to
create conflict among Palestinian groups
inside Palestine by making them greedy for
political positions or high office, so that
these groups abandon the decisive issue fo
Palestine and turn on each other.
With the excuse of having cleared the Gaza
Strip to show their good will, they want a
group of Muslim nations to recognise this
corrupt regime, and I am very hopeful and
pray to God that the Palestinian nation and
the dear Palestinian groups will be cautious
of such sedition.
Today the unity of the front in Palestine on
its goals is a pressing necessity. The issue
of Palestine is by no means finished. The
issue of Palestine will only be resolved when
all of Palestine comes under Palestinian
rule, when all the refugees return to their
homes, and when a popular government chosen
by this nation takes the affairs in its
hands. Of course, those who have come to this
land from far away to plunder this land have
no right to participate in the
decision-making process for this nation.
I am hopeful that just as the Palestinian
nation continued its struggle for the past
ten years, it will continue to maintain its
awareness and vigilance. This phase is going
to be short-lived. If we put it behind us
successfully, God willing, it will pave the
way for the annihilation of the Zionist
regime and it will be a downhill route.
I warn all the leaders in the Islamic world
to beware of this conspiracy. If any of them
takes a step towards the recognition of this
regime [Israel">, then he will burn in the
fire of the Islamic umma (nation) and will
have eternal shame stamped on his forehead,
regardless of whether he did this under
pressure by the dominant powers, or lack of
understanding or naiveté or selfishness or
worldly incentives.
The issue of Palestine is the issue of the
Islamic world. Those who are closeted behind
closed doors cannot make decisions on this
issue and the Islamic nation does not allow
this historical enemy to exist at the heart
of the Islamic world. |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
until now in gaza is that fair |
nazir_bht
Date:
2009-01-08
Time: 16:02:01
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SHAKESPARE VERSUS U. N . O
without offending anyone or witnout
intending to do even wth remotely felt
innenudo; there r some similarities between
the two. the shakespare while
writhing"MERCHANT OF VENICE" was
ctategeriogical in displaying the two
charactters vizjew and chrstain wth little
story that the christain trader in vience
fell short of money whch was borrowed frm the
rich jew merchant member; hwever; on the
written promise that in case the chrstain
borrower shal default in payment of debt the
jew merchant shall cut flesh frm his body
positioning heart. the christain merchant
failed to pay the debt for wch jew merchant
insisted to do his job of cutting flesh frm
the body of defaulted merchant. the merchant
ferternty of venice tried to compensate the
jew trader on behlf of defaulted christain
trader for wch the former did nt agree. suit
went to court where it ws tried; where
finally on interpretration of agreement the
jew trader lost.the shakespare played all
prasesology to pin point the hardness of jew
charactter in his drama and both sides were
carefully looking into the words to strike
some proper balance hwever; ; till then
wthout causing any loss to either party.
isreal bombared wth all might even on ageless
childern and UNO still mininced to try the
balance of words to find wht suits the
stronger. nw the evidence tht the uno staff
were also asulted is nt satisfying the uno
whether the condemnation shd be issued or
nt.hw genuis ws shakespare who first created
horror by displaying the hardness of jew
charactter later balanced the same by his own
phrases? is nt shakespare superior to uno who
fictionally created something and resolved it
itslef; whileas; uno is just dramatising to
create one more death for it like leauge of
nations. thx |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
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niagarafalls
Date:
2009-01-09
Time: 05:01:10
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My question was is the gaza strip anything
more to Hamas than a launching pad? The
civilian population seems to be saying they
have nowhere to go. Do you simply except
that? I mean without question? Grant it it's
their home, indeed it is, but there are bombs
flying.Doesn't common sense say that under
such circumstances people will move in a
direction away from bombs? I mean in forest
fires animals move out and fast, it's
instinct you know!
It's a no brainer I think.
Isn't there something missing in the equation
Zoo Zog, ? Isn't there something about it
that just doesn't add up? And isn't it really
a no brainer?
If the truth is they are better off where
they are than they would be else where, than
what does that really mean, and how would
deal with it?
OK, so if they flee, they get no aid, and if
they stay, at least humanitarian aid will
reach them. What does this mean? Kind of like
being held captive perhaps?
There is a thing called a forced retaliation.
And of course the psychologey of
psychological warfare.
As far as the killing,it is tragic. But isn't
life about choices Zoo Zog?
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
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niagarafalls
Date:
2009-01-09
Time: 05:32:48
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What choice do the kids have when you
consider the adults make those decesions for
them? But who or what is making those
decesions or choices for the adults over
there on the Gaza strip? Is that free will in
choice by the way? I don't think so.
On Israel's end, you do something ,or you do
nothing. Something means you do it right or
you don't do it at all.
That choice was either made or made for
them.
I am not saying it was the right choice, I
just don't know that it was the wrong
choice.
But that means I must think better tool are
required to deal with such issues of war,and
I am not sure if that's good at the moment
given what there could be. But hat opinion or
split opinion is more in line with science ,I
think.You know, cool tools in the wrong hands
tend to be the cause of greater
complications.
A Generals do love cool tools. So do power
moungers. |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
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gdawg
Date:
2009-01-09
Time: 11:44:58
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niagra..
bushwhoopieeee.
where would /should they go and why...!? |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
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nazir_bht
Date:
2009-01-09
Time: 15:56:07
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my friend here in above has aptly interpreted
the spirit behind the drama of shakespare
treating it an anti semitic notion then
prevelant; when on the other hand christainty
also falls within the concept of semitmism.
the genuis of shakespare was limited just on
the psychology of human conduct that in the
event of adverse times how one shld act;
besides; the timely arbitration based on
justice and equity.such imbalance wherever;
found and wthout check render undesirable
situations.the simple point that hamas needs
to be controlled nt to disturb the peace
loving citizens of isreal; yet; retailiation
wth might requires reason to inflict.the
western in-built thought that if iran makes
nukes the isreal and other countries cld
remain unsafe for wch just on hypothesis
united nations checks were there.we sld nt
object it being the general conseus of the
world.bt wht abt the same general consensus
wch the isreal voilated for more than one
thousand times.just on the wrng message that
sadam had the chemical weaponary; war was
imposed and more than one million people
killed to equte the one national principle of
united states.then where it is justified to
kill little innocents with urinuaim bombs who
hve little sense to know tht someone accross
the border is mighty and pounding to
liquidate them?one can;t question if ten
times lethal bombs are pounded on hamas
fighter who volantered to fight against his
enemy ; bt why civilians and ageless
childern.jimy carter two days before in
washington post wrote article "war cld hve
been avioded"in wch he blamed the isreal
being obstinate nt to enter into truce.wht a
irony?and then role of united nations being
nothing bt a "go between " for big power is
creating a cause to see it causeless. thanx. |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
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niagarafalls
Date:
2009-01-09
Time: 19:17:14
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Gdawg: bushwhoopi'ee,
There is this volcano, nobody knows when is
the last time it erupted because there are no
records of a eruption ,however there is
evidence that it has indeed erupted .
Evidence at current says it is about to erupt
and authorities say evacuate now or face
impending doom. The authorities tell you over
the telle, over the radio ,the newspapers
,and to reach the reclusives ,they ever drop
flyers by aireoplane. The authrities even
play vido clips over the telle showing what a
volcanic eruption looks like and demonstrate
death is imminent if you choose to stay.
Gwawg, you live close to the valcano and have
all your life, your parents lived there all
their life too. your grandparents settled
there long ago. The valcano never befor
erupted and you may choose to refuse to
realize impending doom. Because your
grandparents died in the land of the valcano
and you intend to die there too.
But, when it comes right down to it and
impending doom nears, What do you do?
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
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niagarafalls
Date:
2009-01-09
Time: 19:34:38
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Ok, now Gdawg:, You grandparents settled in
the land of the valcano many years ago. They
worshiped a god named monmoungergotoosee. The
going religious philosophy was ,you live in
the land of the valcano and serve god
monmoungergotoose and if you are faithful
mongergotoose will reward you in the next
life with a mansion, in the land of milk and
honey where you will want for nothing. And
they believed that life in the land of the
valcano was nothing more than god
monomungergotoosee's testing grounds, .
But you, you gdwang live in the age of the
computer and micro wave cooking, and you
don't believe any of that god
monmoungergotoosee crap. But it's folklore.
Now, the question is, do you choose to stay
in the land of the valcano out of respect for
your grandparents beliefs,knowing that the
hot burning lava will destroy everything in
it's path of destruction? Or do you flee for
your life and think about it later? |
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
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mt1989
Date:
2009-03-06
Time: 21:35:31
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Well,It's Very easy to answer you,just a
question before.
Are you Zionist?
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
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suze
Date:
2009-03-10
Time: 05:30:14
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gorilla tactics irish reb?
well u act like primates and have the
intelligence of primates so your tactics
could be those a gorilla
join us in the 21st century u gorilla
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Re: 640 killed and 3000 injured
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freddo1939
Date:
2009-03-10
Time: 12:26:52
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As Israel won the land of Palistine by force
of arms----- there is a case for saying that
rockets launched from Gaza are falling on
Palistinian land..... |
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