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kili Date: 2008-07-18 Time: 11:17:30	what is there to be proud of. My brother got attacked by a kosavan and was charged his self for racial assualt. Where is the britishness in that.your either blind to whats going on or your just plain stupid. Im still proud to be british but were losing our country to forgieners.
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snobtoff Date: 2008-07-18 Time: 16:50:55	I regard my homeland as the British Isles, or 'These Islands', which is the politcally correct term. My instinctive identity makes no distinction between Britain and Ireland, my ancestry is English, Welsh, Irish - both catholic and protestant, with a bit of Scottish thrown in. To me it's all one homeland, only one part has green postboxes instead of red!
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mrd2u Date: 2008-07-19 Time: 09:11:06	Last time England was in the European Cup. My neighbor flew the St Georges flag From his bedroom window, he was told to remove it as it may offend minorities. Ironic when you think the fellow his Muslim and originally from Pakistan. He’s been over here for 30 years and proud to be a British citizen. It’s the P C brigade that whined me up.
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jollysghost Date: 2008-07-19 Time: 22:38:46 Edited by:fsm	he is a lout! and am sure some ofus on here are willing to put together some cash for him so he can leave and not come back. and your on about millions of the (edited)? what are you expecting them to to leave all at once? some of these (edited) as you put it are decent law abiding human beings.
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littlemisssunshine Date: 2008-07-19 Time: 22:49:23	I hate the problems the UK have - violence, government issues, etc. Yet at the same time such issues are exaggerated and alot of the people I have met are friendly. It doesn't bother me any more than the next country, but the law is too strict and over the top in some aspects.
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socrates Date: 2008-07-19 Time: 22:56:21	Last time England were In the Euro's nearly every street and car had an English flag - NO-ONE compained. We are still one of the richest countries in the world - if you get sick, you are treated regardless of wealth - if your'e unemployed or disabled you don't starve. You can vote, criticise, emigrate , start your own business, have a minimum wage and get rid of a Government. But it gets really annoying when people moan - 'the country is going under' without making comparisons or rationalising - its typical Tory ploy to blame 'immigrants' - single-parents etc. You want a scapegoat.
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toddiedogfox Date: 2008-07-20 Time: 19:23:11	When King James VI of Scotland ascended to the English throne, thereby becoming James I of England, the national flags of England and Scotland on land continued to be, respectively, the red St George's cross and the white St Andrew's cross. Confusion arose, however, as to what flag would be appropriate at sea. On 12 April 1606 a proclamation was issued: "All our subjects in this our isle and kingdom of Great Britain and the members thereof, shall bear in their main top the red cross commonly called St George's Cross and the white cross commonly called St. Andrew's Cross joined together according to a form made by our heralds and sent to our Admiral to be published to our said subjects." This is the first known reference to the Union Flag. Although the original design referred to has been lost, it is presumed that it was the flag which, with the addition of the St Patrick's cross, forms the basic design of the British Union Flag today. It is also interesting to note that the new flag was not universally popular nor accepted. The English were not overly pleased at the obscuring of the white field of the St George's flag. The Scots, with more justification, were upset at the fact that the red cross was laid over the white. The Scots proposed a number of alternative designs. These included: The St George's flag with the St Andrew's flag in the canton The St George's flag with a St Andrew's flag in each quarter. In this bizarre design the white cross of the St Andrew's flag does not extend to the corners of the flag. The St George's flag with a St Andrew's flag in the centre
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toddiedogfox Date: 2008-07-20 Time: 19:28:07	None of these are very convincing designs and none were ever used. The Scots did, however, use an ingenious design in which the white cross of the St Andrew's flag was brought forward to overlay the red cross. This flag even seems to have achieved some limited official sanction. When the king visited Dumfries in 1618 he was hailed as the king under whose banner "the whyte and reid croces are so proportionablie interlaced." The word interlaced is held to be significant as it implies the use of the 'Scottish' version of the Union Flag:
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toddiedogfox Date: 2008-07-20 Time: 19:32:33	Evolution of the use of the Union Jack as the national flag of the United Kingdomm It was noted that Edward VII tried to make the British Royal Standard more personal by restricting its use. How did he try to restrict it? During the reign of Queen Victoria, the Royal Standard was considered to be the Standard of the United Kingdom, and not the Standard of the Sovereign. It was used by members of the Royal Family; flown at certain military parades; displayed on fortresses and official buildings in the United Kingdom, and at Government House in the colonies, on the Sovereign's Birthday and on the days of Coronation and Accession; and flown on government buildings when the sovereign was passing in State. It was also flown by private individuals and organisations who thought that it was an appropriate way of displaying their loyalty to the crown. When the Prince of Wales became King Edward VII he tried to introduce a Royal Standard differenced with an oval shield in the centre carrying his cypher and crown on a purple ground. It was to have been for his exclusive and personal use alone, with misuse guarded against by the Trade Mark Act of 1883. However the Board of Trade, who were responsible for trade marks, wrote that changes to the Royal Standard were not within their competence. The Law Officers thought that since the Arms and Standard had been created by the Act of Union with Ireland, any alteration to the Royal Standard would probably require an Act of Parliament. This was thought to be unfeasible, and the proposal was abandoned. As an alternative, measures were taken to restrict the use of the Royal Standard. The Home Office noted that the King was aware that legally no one could be prevented from flying the Royal Standard, but he wanted it to be discouraged. In 1906 the Admiralty and War Office issued Circulars that the Royal Standard was not to be displayed on fortresses and official buildings on King's Birthday, etc., but only when the sovereign, was present in person. To avoid contentious legislation, restrictions on the use of the Royal Standard by private individuals were promulgated by Circulars to Police Forces. In the course of 1907 instructions were issued by various government departments canceling existing orders, and directing that the Royal Standard was to be flown on government buildings only when HM was within the building. Home Office and Scottish Office Circulars stated that the Royal Standard could not properly be used without HM permission, and that persons should be asked to discontinue its use, and the Secretary of State informed of any refusal. It was acknowledged that the instructions could not be enforced, but it was hoped that the restrictions on its use could be achieved by appealing to the people's sense of good taste. In 1908 it was reported that action (unspecified) was taken against persons or bodies reported for flying the Royal Standard. In a letter to 'The Times', the Earl of Crewe wrote that the belief that the Royal Standard could be flown anywhere, by anybody, was incorrect. By the time that George V succeeded Edward VII in 1910, it had become generally accepted that the Royal Standard of the United Kingdom was the sovereign's personal banner.
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