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Aicha.. 9 year old girl
keepopenminded Date: 2008-05-06 Time: 22:00:15	Aicha (may Allah be pleased with her) 9 year old girl -Have you heard about a 9-year old Thailand girl gave birth? -Have you heard about 12 and 15 year old Christian girls getting married in Romania? -Child brides as young as 8 were common, not exceptions, among the Byzantine emperors and nobility. Source: w.roman-emperors. org /aggiefran.htm -Mary mother of Jesus according to Christian sources was 12 when she gave birth to Jesus (upon them peace). 1-I wonder why you are so pity towards this 9 year old girl even if she has not complained in media or in newspapers nor to anyone among you that prophet Mohammed peace be upon him unjust her. 2-Contrary she was very happy with him and you can read history to see that and by the way to tell me where is she has complained to you? 3-Prophet Muhammad a pedophile for marrying a girl that was OFFERED TO HIM by her parents and was accepted by all of the people back then including the enemies of Islam, the pagans, is quite absurd? 4-A woman named Kholeah Bint Hakeem suggested for Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to marry Aisha. 5-She was physically big enough and tall enough to be considered for marriage (Read history). 6-we have to look at the life of Lady Aisha afterwards. She was without doubt one of the foremost scholars of Islam. 7-She was seeked by many, both men and women, who hungered for knowledge and they came to her from all directions, History does not know of any woman who was approached by so many for such a noble purpose. 8- Don’t forget that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had a dream where the angel Jibril was carrying a person and he asked who is was, the angel said it is your wife, the cloth was uncovered and it was Aisha, this happened three times. She was married to him before the Hijra to Medina and did not live with him until after which was some three years. (People without faith cannot understand this part) Now do you think it is fair for you to come today and attack our beloved Prophet and call him a child molester when nobody 1400 years ago from his tribe had objected to his marriage? Not even the Pagans of Mecca, nor the Jews and Christians of Medina ever objected to it or used it as a point against Islam as anti-Islamic do today. Koran: 121.And certainly the evil ones inspire their friends with such thoughts that they may dispute with you. And if you obey them, you will indeed be of those who set up gods with ALLAH.
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
littlemisssunshine Date: 2008-05-06 Time: 22:12:16	That really does not justify it. Perhaps a long time ago such young marriages were accepted, this was because children were expected to grow into adulthood quickly. However, times have changed. It does not matter if a nine year old girl is "tall and strong enough" for marriage, she is still a nine year old girl and no size or physical state can justify marrying such a young child. Even if the girl accepts the marriage, it should not be condoned. She should not be left with an older man who is more than likely a paedophile. Nine is too young, there is no way around that by using past events as an excuse. Young children should not be subjected to such life-changing choices and situations. A child is a child, and his/her childhood should be respected. Children should be playing and having fun, not getting married. This also applies to the other ages you mention, 12-15, that is also too young.
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keepopenminded Date: 2008-05-06 Time: 23:03:12	See who talks about good manners.. A society full of disease and paedophilia: -Homo-sexual? Yes it’s Ok “Freedom” .. -Lesbian? With pleasure “Happiness” .. -Bi-sexual? Welcome “Girl Power” .. -Married and has affairs? Awesome “Luxury” .. -Pornography? Good for younger “Culture” .. -New.. coming soon? Yes will be accepted with spacious heart for the name of Freedom ... ----------- Koran: 44. Do you enjoined others to do what is good and forget your ownselves. ----------- Will you not then understand? Peace…
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
keepopenminded Date: 2008-05-06 Time: 23:12:20	I'm sorry i made a mistake about: -Married and has affairs? Awesome “Luxury” because marriage is something old at you, now freedom: -Kids without marriage? wow its a new kind to free fathers off responsibilties.. a joke but for real happened and still happen: a girl gave birth in a hospital, and when they want to subscribe the kid they asked the girl where is his father (without marriage)? -she said i don't know.. .. who was last one had sexual-intercourse with you? -she said i can't remember.. then they said now please give us a random father to belong it to this kid as long as we are here in this life randomly.. .. Funny.. isn't it?
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
littlemisssunshine Date: 2008-05-06 Time: 23:17:38	I don't think marriage is neccessary for everyone anymore, everyone has their own path. I do agree that teenage pregnancies are wrong though because the child should be nurtured in an environment that is appropiate and safe for it to grow. However, I ALSO think that is is wrong for a 9 year old girl to engage in sexual intercourse or give birth, REGARDLESS of whether or not she is married.
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_mr_notts30 Date: 2008-05-06 Time: 23:31:43	Its true what muhhamid did is excepted for excample the mods never ban someone for sticking up for abusing a 9 year old girl 1500 years ago yet if someone stuck up for garry glitter abusing a 13 year old 2 years ago there would be outrage.
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
keepopenminded Date: 2008-05-06 Time: 23:41:24	“As for homosexuality and bi-sexuality, why should people oppose it? I think some people need to be a little more OPEN MINDED.” It was that the definition of an open-minded at you? Wow awful!!!!!!!!!!!! No wonder then.. Whatever you clean a swine surely when you get back to it you’ll find it dirty.. Because its origin.. so it’s just a waste of time.. [Furqan 25:43] Did you see the one who chose his own desires as his God? So will you accept the responsibility of guarding him? [Furqan 25:44] Or do you think that most of them hear or understand something? They are not but like the cattle – in fact more astray from the path than them! Peace…
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red9t9 Date: 2008-05-06 Time: 23:54:00	[Furqan 25:43] Did you see the one who chose his own desires as his God? So will you accept the responsibility of guarding him? Muslims have some of the best desire's cast into 72 virgins awaiting them when they get there heavenly ticket.....and did it mention how old they were? it had to be a man who made that up...do you get any beer with that to? bet you can't wait to get to the great heavenly mud convention to get stuck in aye keep...ya nawty buoy!
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
socrates Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 00:10:43	Mary was 12 when she had Jesus? Where are your sources? Ever heard of the Immaculate Conception you ignoramus? Mary did not engage in sexual intercourse - your 'prophet' did. Do you Goole everything you quote - or contact Al Jazeera? You have obviously no experience of Christian beliefs, or any access to truthful sources - I can only assume you come from a backward Islamic state like Iran or Syria.
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
keepopenminded Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 00:12:26	Koran: 122. Can he, who was dead(without guidance), then WE gave him life(faith) and made for him a light(knowledge) whereby he walks among men, be like him whose condition is that he is in utter darkness(ignorance) whence he cannot come forth ? Thus have the doings of the disbelievers been made to seem fair to them.
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
socrates Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 00:17:49	See how he refers to dreams? Muhammad 'dreamt' about Aisha - Al Isra/ He 'dreamt' about mounting a 'flying horse etc. In fact the whole bloody Quran is an account of a man who DREAMED EVERTHING - there was no Hirj - he bloody well dreamt it all up!
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socrates Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 00:34:23	Why did the Quran/Allah get the Trinity so wrong Closed? Why did it believe it to consist of Allah/Jesus and Maryam when every Christian schoolboy/girl can tell you it consists of The Father/Son/Holy Spirit? Would Jesus have said - "...take me and my Mother as Gods apart from God?" Sura 5:116 She is "...just a woman...they both ate food" Sura 5:70-75 Why say this unless it is to deny the divinity of Mary (and Jesus)? BECAUSE HE BLUNDERED! So Allah was unaware of what the Christians believed for centuries? Jibreel didn't understand the Trinity? More probable, Muhammad made a BIG mistake when he 'made up' The Quran. So before boring us all with further Quranic un-truths - go and see your Imam (for more slithering 'explanations')
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mightywurlitzer Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 08:26:38	Socrates, salaam alalaykun I have been talking to a real live Imman inshallah and he told me that the bible has been changed so much that Christians get it wrong in their beliefs of the members of the Trinity. As the Qur'an is the direct word of God, it cannot be wrong. The proof of the Qur'an is that it says so. Personally I think this point is perfect and all Christians have been really misguided all through the ages. I get a kind of blissful peace now I know the truth. salaami piece
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luckylips1 Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 08:31:35	well i personaly think (and alot of peeps tend to agree ) that a nine year old girl isnt ready for sex or childbirth.... also keepopen, its not just our society in which paedophiles exist. everyone who follows you religion thinks its ok for an old man to sleep with a little child. eeewwww.. not only children but also goats because some muslims cant control themselves until theyre married.
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keepopenminded Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 10:27:17	1-Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him "married" Aicha may Allah be pleased with her "in public" and no one contradict him even enemies of Islam because if he really was wrong as some apes say now, enemies of Islam will be happy to promote that he is paedophile like also some "apes" "NOW" try to promote that.. but they have not say anything about that point.. why enemies of Islam was blind? so you should shut up next time.. for more advantage of what Aicha may Allah be pleased with her got after married the prophet read my first post above.. 2-if really a muslim tend to have sex with goats or animals he's just an animal and should leave the society for human bieng and go live in a forest with apes even if i'm sure apes will not accept him.. 3-i wonder how some one have no respect towards himself first talk about good manners -someone who consider himself an ape evolved that's a human being? no he is just an ape means he is animal.. -as long as he is animal so he can do anything in public: -have sex with an other animal in public -became homo/bi-six. -... 4-in Islam a girl have sex with an adulterer and got kid she is just a whore and must be flogged both to clean the society from that disease before being influenced.. i pity that poor kid, but no worries then her "mother" i meant this girl will accept that poor kid to be homo-sexual.. but more then that maybe she will have sex even with her kid... :p what a society... really as Allah say, they are more astray then animals... Peace...
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luckylips1 Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 10:46:15	tbh people who think thats its ok for a grown man to have sex with a child are disgusting whether they are 'enimies' to islam or not. the whole poit is that paedophillia is wrong full stop. whether your 'god' thinks its ok or not. dont for get that, that long ago, people were a lot less civilised anyway. you cant say that because some thought it was ok then that its ok now. these threads are gettint stupid now. you are not going to convert any of us and youre not going to make us agree with you. mohammed was a paedophile...thats the point.
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keepopenminded Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 11:06:52	luckylips1, and Jollyman... you make me laugh when you tell me that i'll convert you .. really i pity you.. Peace... Koran: [Qasas 28:56] Indeed it is not such that you can guide whomever you love, but Allah guides whomever He wills; and HE knows best those who would accept guidance. Koran: 6. Those who have disbelieved - it being alike to them whether thou warn them or warn them not - they will not believe. 7. ALLAH has set a seal on their hearts and their ears, and over their eyes is a covering; and for them is a grievous chastisement.
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lucylockett Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 11:08:02	People always go on about this, The thing is different cultures have different standards, morals and social acceptances... Not that long ago in Britain our own Kings married young girls, much younger than 16, I cant remember which king was actually married to an 8 year old girl and they produced many children.. in those days it was acceptable, it wasn't until the later 1700s that the marriage laws (Marriage Act)changed to a 16 age limit. In those days you mustnt forget people didnt actually live as long as people do now, by 40 a person were classed elderly. As much as I don't like it, as much as I think children should be allowed to be children and have a childhood. As much as I think people interested in young children are sick evil monsters, we still cant judge people from different cultures or people in the past, by our standards today.
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jollyman30 Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 11:13:20	keepopen hehe you pity us? why dont you tell your fella muslims ie the taliban to convert us to your wonderful peaceful religion?. What if we disagree with them? oh yes our head would be on the chopping block litterally. I dont direspect your belief, but you like most must accept when it comes to life and understanding religion falls down. If you take your belief as fact then its worrying for you and everyone you come incotact with, I agree i dont have all the answers to life. and i can also agree that when i say stuff about my belief on things! i can be way of the mark.
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SAINT MOHAMMED \9paron saint of paedophiles)
mightywurlitzer Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 11:56:05	keepopenminded Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 10:37:20 socrates.. KEEPO WROTE TO SOCRATES i think i've answerd that point before but i can't remember the thread.. but anyway if you can't remember too, i'll find it and refer you to it.. because i don't like repeat... no keepo I have been waiting for you answer , inshallah, but I have not seen it, in this care you MAY repeat yourself OR you can spam in my answer above
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suze Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 12:02:17	keepo u really do jeopardise me future prospects at work. whenver i look at one of your threads i fall asleeeeee zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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SAINT MOHAMMED (paron saint of paedophiles)
mightywurlitzer Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 12:29:11	NOW PAY ATTENTION THE problem ia that the recognisation of peadophilia as a sexual perversion is relatively recent , even though some people have been uneasy through the ages. IT DOES NOT MATTER if the other faith groups at the time did not condemn Mohammed (swat) it dID not "matter" that lots of people had sex with CHILDREN IT MATTERS A WHOLE HEAP IN REAL LIFE but I am making a point THE MEN WHO THROUGH THE AGES HAD SEX WITH CHILDREN ARE PERVERTS whosoever thay are. LOTS of older men married young girls BUT THEY DIDNT HAVE SEX WITH THEM UNTIL THE GIRL WAS MUCH OLDER. QUEEN Matilda was engaged at 8 married when 12 her husband 32 BUT her husband did get inside what passed for knickers in those days until she was 18. A DECENT NORMAL MAN WHO SEES A PRETTY 9 YEAR OLD GIRL CHILD does not say phwoarth must marry her in a minute In Islamic countries peados have a great time marrying kids and chucking them out . when they/if they grow up A normal man in his 20' 40 's 50's who sees a pretty child might Joke " wonder what her mums like" IF he is a teenager or 20 's he may think " wonder if she has a pretty OLDER sister" and if she is 9 snd he is , say 12 he may not notice her at all , or make a plan to come back in 7-10 years to see how she turned out. NOW THE WHOLE POINT OF MOHAMMEDS (swat) child molesting is that because he lived a wonderful blameless spotless life, (the bestest in the history of the world) THE WHOLE POINT that with such a paragon is that it is taken as a aspirational height AND IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES PAEDOPHILES PERVERTS live in paedophile heaven because, hey , they are doing as THE PROPHET DID . more proof that islam is the one true faith Inshallah
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
socrates Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 13:23:18	Mr.W. - I have no belief in either religion - its all man-made anyway. However, the idea that Church Christians promoted Mary to the Trinity is laughable - that Imam you referred to sounds like every muslim you speak to on the subject - they worm their way around it. Nevertheless, it cannot be denied that the Quran has got the concept completly WRONG. Personally I couldn't give a toss about who constitutes the Trinity - but I do have a problem with muslims who lie to promote their pernicious beliefs.
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
mightywurlitzer Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 14:04:56	Mr socrates, what struck me about "my" imman was his profound ignorance, not a crime, we are all ignorant to start with , some learning is needed, it was his deep ignorance of his ignorance that I found so endearing, just like our own dur KEEPO INSAHLLAH
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keepopenminded Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 14:17:26	Koran: [Ana`am 6:29] And they said, “There is no other life except our life of this world, and we are not to be raised.” [Ana`am 6:30] And if you see when they are placed before their Lord, He will say, “Is this not real (the truth)? They will say, “Yes - why not, by our Lord!” He will say, “So now taste the punishment - the recompense of your disbelief.” [Ana`am 6:31] Those who denied their meeting with Allah, have indeed failed; to the extent that when the Last Day suddenly came upon them they said, “Woe to us that we failed to believe in it” - and they carry their burdens on their backs; what an evil burden they carry! [Ana`am 6:33] We know well that their statement grieves you - so they do not deny you (Prophet Mohammed - peace and blessings be upon him) but in fact the unjust deny the signs of Allah. [Ana`am 6:34] And indeed Noble Messengers have been denied before you, so they patiently bore the denial and torture till Our help reached them; and there is none to alter the decisions of Allah; and the news of the Noble Messengers have already reached you. [Ana`am 6:35] And if their turning away has grieved you, then if you can, seek a tunnel into the earth or a ladder into the sky to bring a sign for them; and if Allah willed, He could have brought them all together upon guidance, so O listener (followers of this Prophet) do not ever be of the ignorant.
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socrates Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 14:30:40	Yes, I agree it might sound endearing - however it can also be downright dangerous. For instance, a 'Times' reporter who visited an extremist Pakistani Madrass asked students what they thought of a man walking on the Moon - they simply laughed at him, in the belief only Allah could do this. These are the same muslims who may be trained for suicide missions in Afghanistan and abroad. This religious ignorance/intolerance deems it legitimate to slice a mans throat for drawing a cartoon. Keepo, needs no verification for his views other than what has been systematically and cerebrally imbibed from Imams and the Quran. Christians in the US 'bible -belt' are just as dangerous, in having 'the ear' of Bush et al in formulating policy. Personally, I believe religion has no place in public affairs - nor should it be promoted on chatrooms.
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socrates Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 14:40:38	More preaching - Keepo, are you completely ignorant of opinion here? Are you not aware of the damage you do to your religion in posting repetitive and moronic sura's? Stick to trying convince the un-educated in your own country - you convince no-one here.
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littlemisssunshine Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 17:30:06	Keepopenminded sent me a PM: Subject: Alas!!! I understand now why you defend bi-sexuality, I took a look at your profile and really i got surprised... I prefer the death than live such dirty life.. Alas!!! From: keepopenminded Message Sent: 2008-05-07 00:02:30[Reply] So there you go...He is a wife beating, homophobic creep. Here is my reply to his NARROW-MINDEDNESS; Subject: Re: Alas!!! I defended homosexuality and bi-sexuality before I even understood my own. It's wrong to judge it so nastily. I don't play around with both men and women, my sexuality just means that I am capable of falling inlove with someone of either sex. I don't lead a "dirty" lifestyle with it. If I was to fall inlove with a woman, I would devote my life to her and I would not be with men because of my love for her. I stick by one person and I'm not ashamed of my sexuality. If you or anyone else disapproves of it, so be it. It is not a dirty lifestyle if you show respect to both genders and only stay with one person. From: littlemisssunshine Message Sent: 2008-05-07 17:23:02[Reply]
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elephant_in_the_room Date: 2008-05-07 Time: 19:12:10	KEEPO YOU ought to read, mark, learn and inwardly digest this mathew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
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ruton Date: 2008-05-09 Time: 00:15:15	i try not to get involved anymore but i think you lot shouldn't put too much faith in this guy as an expert on islam. apart from the spelling mistakes, there is no hard evidence that points to the 9yr figure - from looking at the many self-contradicting verbal sources, it seems the age could have ranged anywhere between 12 and 22. if such a big range exists then there's not point in trying to make a big issue of this, especially when there are concrete verses which point to marriage only happening once a person reaches mental maturity in order to give valid consent. the practice of child brides in muslim countries is therefore just another cultural corruption. i sometimes wonder whether the bigots on here need to bother making things up when there are people like the original poster about...
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mmkk Date: 2008-05-09 Time: 03:09:21	I agree with ruton, life back then was different but does not show islam in a wrong way. Everyone has a say about this matter but should understand it is up to a person when they feel fit to get married. So yes mohammed pbuh did marry a young girl but at that life time she must have been fit to marry or mohammed would not have married such a young girl. However it is said a female and male can marry when they have reached puberty, but as we are in this live, 21st century we all know 2 people have to be fit in many ways to get married. The person who has started this forum should have pointed facts and reasons why. As this person has mislead the fellow brothers and sisters in this forum to think differently about mohammed pbuh and islam. So i will like to say in behalf of this person sorry and please do not say things about islam or mohammed pbuh with disrespect, thenk you.
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
aspicere Date: 2008-05-09 Time: 10:22:02	hi ruton to quote you "apart from the spelling mistakes, there is no hard evidence that points to the 9yr figure - from looking at the many self-contradicting verbal sources, it seems the age could have ranged anywhere between 12 and 22. " I have been looking at hadith sources are they the same as verbal sources ? can you give us the references for you comment. As the hadiths are used with the Koran to make Shariah law I think a person , who is a Muslim, ought to trust them. the ones which are the most trusted hadiths I found all seem to point to a younger age than between 12 and 22. Did not Mohammed (pbuh) die when Aiisha was 18 ? there are many hadiths that seem relevant:- SAHIH AL-BUKHARI Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six . We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234) Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236) Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; ) SAHIH MUSLIM 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311) SUNAN ABU DAWUD Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116) the next is a history not a hadith Then the Messenger of God married ‘A’ishah bt. Abi Bakr, whose name is ‘Atiq b. Abi Quhafah, who is ‘Uthman, and is called ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Uthman b. ‘Amir b. ‘Amir b. Ka‘b b. Sa‘d b. Taym b. Murrah: [The Prophet] married her three years before the Emigration, when she was seven years old, and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, after he had emigrated to Medina in Shawwal. She was eighteen years old when he died. The Messenger of God did not marry any maiden except her. (The History of al-Tabari, Volume IX, pp. 130-131 so it is easy to think that Aisha was about 9
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
ruton Date: 2008-05-09 Time: 14:31:28	those are selective quotes to support your own position, aspicere. as i said before, there is no point making a fuss of this issue without hard facts - the age of aisha is not part of the sunnah anyway. but hey, i don't mind if you continue to believe the original poster who's obviously someone trying to parody muslims rather than factually represent them.
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
aspicere Date: 2008-05-09 Time: 15:53:52	hi ruton My quotes are only "selective" as you choose to call them because there are so many available and I do not like the endless posts that other people choose to post...(mightyW for one)so where does YOUR information comes from., or just admit that you either have no real knowledge of Islam or you are a Shi'ite
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
ruton Date: 2008-05-09 Time: 18:44:32	i don't enjoy those long posts full of quotes either so i won't be going down that route. however, there is plenty of verifiable evidence freely available online that demonstrates that not all muslims (sunni or shia) agree on this issue. the problem with a lot of muslims these days is that they dwell on insignificant issues like this and even go as far to label someone as a member of sect or a non-muslim if they dare to disagree - again, this often cultural-based poison does nothing but harm the image of muslims and islam in general.
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
jaymb Date: 2008-05-09 Time: 19:04:29	I have read your threads with great interest-if people believe that keepo is talking **** why continue to give him the forum to spread the word of islam he so obviously desires. Does any one really believe that any holy book is still in it's original meaning, please can we remember that they all take on what their own mraning of really happened/was said/occured etc. These are only guides.AND also in the time of JC/Mohammed etc our life expectancy was all of 24-37 so our child bearing accepted age was a lot lower-why do you judge on todays standards something that happened so many years ago-you need to judge it by those times. AND please be aware that we are in 2008 and the Islamic world is in 1480 something (from the birth of Mohammed so they are a good few hundred years behind us-think about our culture in 1480 odd and you'll see what I mean, maybe by thier 2008 they will think like we do now??????
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
ruton Date: 2008-05-10 Time: 01:59:42	the issues of hotter climates accelerating physical maturity, lower life expectancy and different cultural norms do hold some weight - but that does not equate to an automatic moral inferiority to the modern day West. something that an arbitrary legal age of consent doesn't take into account is whether a person is mentally mature or not - there are plenty of dozey 18+ yr olds who shouldn't be trusted with a pair scissors let alone anything else. by your simple reasoning this makes current day western culture over 1400 years behind the islamic one. simplistic thought only leads to simplistic answers.
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
aspicere Date: 2008-05-10 Time: 09:40:19	there ya go jaymb you are a simplistic blondy babe who should know yer place and stop worrying your pretty head. We all know that Islamic society is the most perfect that there can be and is thousands of years ahead of western society
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
jollyman30 Date: 2008-05-10 Time: 17:59:22	"Islamic society is the most perfect that there can be and is thousands of years ahead of western society" You gotta be joking havent ya honestly? why are islamic coutries cunrrently 3rd world then?. These countries are exactly like this BECAUSE of islam.
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
aspicere Date: 2008-05-10 Time: 19:18:00	Ruton, you must spend your entire life having people be condescendingly sarcastic to you. You are am Olympic champion producer of non sequiturs. including scissors use with the age of culture and hot climates to moral inferiority, and helpfully you know from your own experience what happens when your simplistic thought have exhausted themselves
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
ruton Date: 2008-05-10 Time: 19:41:50	how boring. if you're trying to provoke a response similar to the crude rants of the original poster then you're going to have a long wait. unfortunately, your attempts at sarcasm were lost on jolly and have only fuelled his prejudice against muslims. well done you. now do you have a relevant point to make or do you just want to continue flinging dirt from your mud wallow?
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl
aspicere Date: 2008-05-10 Time: 21:18:31	an actual relevant point from you would have been welcome and unexpected . All you have shown on this thread is a bland ignorance. May I point out that i was your goodself who instigated the boredom and mud flinging.You personify the proverb about teaching a pig to sing. " It wastes ones time and annoys the pig "
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Re: Aicha.. 9 year old girl

mightywurlitzer
Date: 2008-05-10
Time: 21:25:04

the following is a punishment:just to even
out the forums from all this
religious tripe!
love light n peace
Can 1.3 billion people be wrong? Yes.
by Sherry Shriner Islam Lies
Islam..a Beast hey start accumulating in
countries and then
start terrorizing it with gangs of rapists,
violence and civil disruption.

They are possessed, demon possessed. They
seek to spread fear and violence, they are
pawns of the devil who feeds off of the fear
and suffering they create for power.

Just as their leader, Mohammad, they use
"God" as an excuse to prey on innocent
people. Mohammad was a robber and a thief,
his followers are no different.

It is not the Most High God they serve, but
Satan.
Don't you think the Arabs make it hard for
themselves to garner sympathy from the
western civilized nations when all they do
is
preach the death and destruction of those
very nations?

See the Koran Film:
[censored]youtube[censored]/watch?v=bCrCsTMok

TU&feature=related

Their religion is one of hate, not love.
The Talmudic Jews preach that anyone not a
(Kazaar) Jew as they are should be killed.
Should we let the two races alone to just go
at it amongst themselves and kill each other
off?

Every religion thinks they are the only
ones serving the true God and going to
heaven. The Jews, the Moslems, the
Catholics,
the Protestants. God does not live in a
book,
He lives in the hearts of those who truly
love and worship Him. Religions are used to
manipulate and control mankind to further
political agendas.

Get out of RELIGION and get into a
RELATIONSHIP with the One true God. Ask HIM
to teach you the truth in ALL things.

Read The Coming Arab Beast

There are 5 Beasts Coming: An Arab beast, an
Aramean Beast, an Aryan Beast, a Black
Beast,
and a Female Beast.

Muslim activists in the West have been
using the tactic of claiming that they
worship the same god as the Christians in
order to gain legitimacy and acceptance.
They
have been using the name "God" in place of
"Allah" in many translations of the Qur'an.

Muslims DO NOT pray to the same God (Yahweh/
Jehovah of Holy Scripture) of Christians and
Jews! Yahweh is transliterated from the
Hebrew YHVH.

Before Muhammad the Arabs had 365 gods - one
for each day of the year. Muhammad picked
Allah (the Arab moon god).

They claim the founder of Islam is a prophet
named Muhammad...however Muhammad himself
says he is not a prophet and has never
personally heard from God...in fact Muhammad
who heard voices thought himself it was from
evil spirits....his wife encouraged him to
change his mind and claim God had spoken to
him...

Muhammad was a pedophile, having sexual
relations with a 6 year old and 9 year old
girl.

Muhammad performed no miracles, spoke no
prophecies,
and died like all mortal men

Islam claims the Prophet Muhammad was
foretold in the Torah and Bible:

The coming of Prophet Muhammad had been
foretold in the Torah. God had said to
Moses:
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among
their brethren, like unto thee, and I will
put My words in his mouth; and he shall
speak
to them all that I shall command him"
Deuteronomy 18:18

This was fulfilled in John 1:45, "We have
found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the
prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the
son of Joseph." Nope..not Muhammad! It was
Jesus of Nazareth!

ooops...

There are more than 100 verses in the Qur'an
(Koran) advocating the use of violence to
spread Islam. There are exactly 123 verses
in the Qur'an about killing and fighting.

Qur'an 9:5, known as "the verse of the
sword," declares, "Fight and slay the pagans
wherever you find them, and seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in
every stratagem."

The Koran was written 500 years after the
Bible and Muhammad couldn't get his history
straight? Who was talking to his head?
Certainly wasn't the Most High God.

The Moslems consider the Qur’an as
uncorrupted. Yet it's historical and
scientific blunders are numerous..

Islam teaches that Hagar was Abraham's first
wife..the Torah says Hagar was Sarah's
handmaiden, or bondwoman.....Hagar was never
Abraham's wife..she was a maid...a
servant...who had a child for Abraham
because
Sarah was barren and couldn't conceive.
Eventually Sarah did conceive and Hagar was
cast into the desert with Ishmael her son.

The Muslims misquote the Bible claiming the
"freewoman" wife of Abraham was Hagar when
it
was Sarah. Hagar was the bondwoman, servant
of Sarah. In other words, Sarah was
Abraham's
wife, Hagar was his mistress. When Isaac was
born, Ishmael and Hagar were cast away from
Abraham and sent into the desert away from
him and Sarah.

Ishmael was promised to be a great nation,
and today he is, but the blessings of
Abraham
and Yahweh's covenant went through Isaac and
his seedline. Biblically speaking, the
land of Israel rightfully belongs to the
Jews
because God promised and gave the land to
Abraham, the Father of the Jews, and renewed
this promise or covenant to Abraham's son
Isaac and to Isaac's son Jacob (later
renamed
Israel by God) who begat twelve sons from
whom the twelve tribes of Israel was
established as a nation as described in
Genesis 12:1-3; 17:7,8 and 17:19-21.

The state of Israel is a constant reminder
to the world that the God of Abraham, Isaac,
and Jacob is alive and that one billion
Arabs
can't keep them from possessing their
promised land.

Was Jesus the ONLY Begotten Son of God? Yes.
"For God so loved the world that He gave HIS
ONLY Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth
IN HIM should not perish, but have
everlasting life - John 3:16...not through
Muhammad, it was Jesus, Yahushua.

Did Jesus die on the cross? Yes. Matthew
chapters 27&28 talk about his death and
resurrection. Jesus defeated death when he
arose from the grave 3 days later.
Muhammad's
tomb still holds his body, Jesus' does not!
His tomb is empty!

Islam misquotes and teaches that Muhammad
was
prophesied..The Bible says,

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy
Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things, and bring all
things to your remembrance, whatsoever I
have
said unto you" (John 14:26). Not
Muhammad..the Holy Ghost..Holy Spirit..

"For there is one God, and one mediator
between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"
(I
Tim. 2:5).

The False Cult of Islam

Blunders in the Koran...

The Koran teaches that the world is flat.
This doctrine is believed by Islamic
scholars
even today. The Bible revealed that the
earth is round in Isaiah 40:22. "It is he
that sitteth upon the circle of the earth".

It is also clear in the Qur'an that
Muhammad and his Allah thought Moses lived
at
the time on Noah and that Jesus' mother Mary
was Moses' and Aaron's sister.

If the Qur'an is a true miracle of God - why
is it so filled with historical, scientific
and other errors, including simple math?
Wouldn't we expect an all-knowing Allah to
be
better student of history, science and math?
Especially if he was getting his information
straight from "God Himself"?

Muhammad had obviously heard some Bible
stories, but he seems to have got them
confused and mixed up when it came out in
his
prophetic utterances. It is quite apparent
that the Qu'ran is simply the product of
hearsay and imperfect editing from a
plurality of traditions then known to
Muhammad.

Historical errors in the Qur'an:

The Historical, Scientific, simple
mathematics and theological contradictions
in
the Qur'an are too numerous to list.
Remember, since Muhammad already proclaimed
the Jewish Torah/Christian Old Testament
(Taurat) as correct in Qur'an 5:46/47 and
43:63 then the following gross errors that
differ with the Torah are inexcusable. These
errors their selves scream out the Qur'an
itself is entirely false. Here are just a
few:

In Sura 2:241 Muhammad confuses the persons
of Saul and Gideon.

In Sura 2:55-60 the Israelites were said to
be "a scanty band" vastly inferior to the
Egyptians. But in Exodus 1:7-10 the Egyptian
king said to his people that the Israelites
had become "more and mightier than we".

The Koran confused the sister of Moses
(Miriam) with Mary, the mother of Jesus. In
Hebrew, Miriam and Mary are the same names.

How many angels were talking to Mary? When
the Qur'an speaks about the annunciation of
the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura
3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while
it is only one in Sura 19:17-21. The
Christian Bible clearly indicated one angel;
"In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was
sent by God to a town in Galilee called
Nazareth," Luke 1:26

Muhammad taught that Mary the mother of
Jesus
was the sister of Aaron and Moses - who
lived
1,500 years earlier.

Do you remember the evil Persian Haman who
conspired to kill all the Jews during the
time of Esther in the Babylonian captivity.
In the Koran, Muhammad incorrectly taught
that this wicked man Haman was the prime
minister of the Egyptian Pharaoh. Throughout
the Quran--Nimrod and Abraham, Haman and
Moses, Mary and Aaron, the tower of Babel
and
Pharaoh were all pictured as living and
working together. Moses and the flood are
also incorrectly found together. Muhammad
thought these all happened at the same time.

What about Noah's son? According to Sura
21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the
flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed
survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that
Noah's son drowns.

Sura 7:136, 7:59 say Noah's flood took place
in Moses' day. Did anyone tell Moses that?

Sura 14:37, says Abraham lived in the valley