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Your answer socrates... |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 23:09:15
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Beating women in islam 
Koran:
34. And the women from whom you fear
disobedience, (at first) advise them and (if
they not obey you then) do not cohabit with
them, and (if they not obey you lastly) beat
them; then if they obey you, do not seek to
do injustice to them; indeed Allah is
Supreme, Great.
So from this verse we see how Allah advice
men to deal with women if they do something
wrong.
1-Advise them (at first)
2-Do not cohabit with them (second solution)
3-Beat them (last before a divorce)
Here beat them as an option not obligatory,
and Notice that Allah had not say "Divorce
them"
So beat her without harm, without a trace,
don't slap her, so when you beat here
"slightly" that's mean that you warn her that
she exceeds the limits and this will cause a
divorce.
Yet our prophet peace be upon him advised us
to not beat them nor revile them:
Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: I went to the
Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) and
asked him: What do you say (command) about
our wives? He replied: Give them food what
you have for yourself, and clothe them by
which you clothe yourself, and do not beat
them, and do not revile them.
Peace.. |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
socrates
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 23:16:21
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Ho Ho Ho ... I've just answered this in
another thread of yours! So stripped of the
seductive Quranic language - I WAS RIGHT!
THERE IS A SURA THAT STATES A MAN CAN BEAT
HIS WIFE IF HE DEEMS IT NECESSARY! Sura4.34
SO LADIES - CONVERT TO ISLAM! YOU KNOW IT'S
SENSLESS! |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 23:23:57
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you make me laugh socrates when you focus
your mind on a word while ignoring all the
sentence 
that means you want not to debate just you
search a word to tell people :
ooooh see how Islam is against women .
so who treat women by bad way Islam or you?
you think that women cannot distinct between
the truth and wrong unless if you tell them
that?
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Peace.. |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
socrates
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 23:30:12
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You really don't like the exposure of beating
a woman do you Closeminded? While muslims
like you continue to preach lies on these
threads (see slavery) - people like me will
expose them. |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
littlemisssunshine
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 23:33:09
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This is where religion goes devastatingly
wrong...Those who are brainwashed by their
beliefs cannot see the sense in the morals or
lack of morals within their belief.
Keepopenminded is so brainwashed and
convinced by his beliefs, that he cannot
consider our opinions or understand them
completely.
And in his society this attitude towards
women is normal. |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
socrates
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 23:36:52
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Listen Closeminded - I have never dreamed of
hitting anyone (unless in self-defence)- let
alone a woman - and we don't need some
mysoginist 'God' telling us it is OK to. I
don't do it because it is WRONG! Simple as
that! Only a bully would do this - it
complements your religion no end. |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
littlemisssunshine
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 23:40:57
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I don't excuse it. There are often issues
behind it, religious or non-religious...but
he cannot make an excuse for hitting unless
it was purely in self-defence.
Same applies to women too in my opinion. |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
socrates
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 23:43:51
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Closeminded - The women on these threads are
far more intelligent than you - perhaps this
is what gets you angry? IMAGINE IT! A WIFE
WITH MORE BRAINS THAN YOU! SO BEAT HER!
VIOLENCE - THE LAST REFUGE OF THE
INCOMPETENT! |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
socrates
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 23:57:22
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Your missing the point Roses - Hitting a
woman is 'LAWFULL' under Quranic/Sharia Law -
hitting a woman (or man)in Britain is a
crimnal offence. |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
littlemisssunshine
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:04:18
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Indeed, women were inferior in the west for a
long time also, and their freedom is pretty
recent.
Other parts of the world, however, cannot
seem to make any progress whatsoever. Some
countries I can think of seem to still be in
prehistoric times... |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
socrates
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:08:04
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Of course your right - I think men who hit
women are pigs - (and women who take
advantage of non-violent men are not much
better). But you must also differentiate
between a society that deems it lawfull to
beat a woman - and a society that says it's
illegal to do this. Surely you cannot say
about society - 'they are all the same'? |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:27:13
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roses_are_red, why you focused on Beat while
you have not read the Hadith?
Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: I went to the
Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) and
asked him: What do you say (command) about
our wives? He replied: Give them food what
you have for yourself, and clothe them by
which you clothe yourself, and do not beat
them, and do not revile them.
is not this a great respect to woman?
be honest.. |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
littlemisssunshine
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:32:24
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"I went to the
Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) and
asked him: What do you say (command) about
our wives? He replied: Give them food what
you have for yourself, and clothe them by
which you clothe yourself, and do not beat
them, and do not revile them."
You can quote that as much as you like
closedminded, it doesn't change much.
That quote pretty much contradicts the
previous quotes that state that it is
ACCEPTABLE for men to harm their wives.
Constantly quoting the "respectful" quote
does not dismiss the other rubbish.
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
tinzel501
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:34:46
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well??? im waiting???? i want an answer to
this sordid alllah of yours??? im not racists
but to hear wot is preached in islamic
temples makes me want to take my samuri and
go for it.....and i mean take every last one
of you out of the equation |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
socrates
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:38:31
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I think its time we stopped responding to his
threads, insulting our society until he
discloses which society he belongs to. He is
a phoney and a coward - he must be ashamed of
where he comes from. |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:40:16
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little miss.. there's no contradiction..
when Allah say Beat them this concerning
those who do bad deeds with their hasband,
plus 'Beat" means not what you imagine (like
they do at you in UK) no, is just a warn
because he wants not divorce her just warn
her..
at last in Hadith, when that man ask the
Prophet about women he said : don't beat
them, what you want him to say ?
yes Beat them ?
don't stay angry.. Islam give a great respect
to women and i'll show that, just be
honest..
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
tinzel501
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:44:10
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RESPECT????? are you taking the fooking
p!ss??? you take children and marry them off
when they start their menstrual as ealy as 8
years old!!!! tell me where the f*ck is the
respect for women they are children!!!!! and
why the feck beat them??? who the feck do you
think you are?? and you want to take over the
world??? feck you and all you believe in over
my dead fecking body keepopenminded |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
socrates
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:45:05
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And here's me thinking The Quran was the
LITERAL word of Allah! You can dress it up
how you like Closeminded - beat/scourge/hit -
its still sanctioned violence towards women -
but everyone can see this - exceptyou. |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:51:58
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roses please i ask you a question, when some
one do somthing wrong with you and you love
him, if you leave him at first time so that's
mean that you don't love him, but if you
advice him at first, then he still do wrong
things, what you'll do to warn him?
so between a man and woman, its very easy
that Allah can say : when they do something
wrong divoece them at all, then what?
no.. Allah want to save the family from
divorce that's why he give 3 [censored]ions
before a divorce :
1-Advise them (at first)
2-Do not cohabit with them (second solution)
3-Beat them (last before a divorce)
i think if you ponder over that without
anger, you'll anderstand what i mean..
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
tinzel501
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:53:48
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oh and the latest????....muslim peadophiles
are refusing treatment saying it is against
their religion to enter a sex offender
programme.....so we say SCREW YOU sit in
prison with bountys of 10 cigarettes on their
heads.....rot in hell the lot of you!!! |
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Re: Your answer socrates... |
socrates
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 00:59:23
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You are p*ssing against the wind man -
haven't you noticed? You are the only one
here who believes this nonesense. Retire - go
say your prayers and sleep it off. Your
rantings have only made enemies of Islam. |
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REAL ISLAMIC ANSWER |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-04
Time: 12:42:48
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sahiha bukari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 125:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abbas:
................................Then I saw
the (Hell) Fire, and I have never before,
seen such a horrible sight as that, and I
saw
that the majority of its dwellers were
women." The people asked, "O Allah's
Apostle!
What is the reason for that?" He replied,
"Because of their ungratefulness." It was
said. "Do they disbelieve in Allah (are they
ungrateful to Allah)?" He replied, "They are
not thankful to their husbands and are
ungrateful for the favours done to them.
Even
if you do good to one of them all your life,
when she seems some harshness from you, she
will say, "I have never seen any good from
you.'
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri that
while he was sitting with Allah's messenger
we said, "Oh Allah's messenger, we got
female
captives as our booty, and we are interested
in their prices, what is your opinion about
coitus interruptus?" The prophet said, "Do
you really do that? It is better for you not
to do it. No soul that which Allah has
destined to exist, but will surely come into
existence."
Qaza'a said, "I heard Abu Said saying that
the prophet said, "No soul is ordained to be
created but Allah will create it.""
as
the qu'ran says: 4:80
"Whoso obeys the Messenger obeys ALLAH
indeed; and whoso turns away, then WE have
not sent thee to be a keeper over them.
sO DO AS mOHAMMED SAID AND YOU OBEY GOD |
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