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Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 21:39:46
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Slavery
First of all everybody here agreed that Islam
came while slavery does exist at Jews,
Christianity, and other pagan and religious
tribes.
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Slavery in Christianity
“Then thou shalt take an awl, and thrust it
through his ear unto the door, and he shall
be thy servant (Read slave–Ed.) forever. And
also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do
likewise” (Deut. 15:17).
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with
respect and fear, and with sincerity of
heart, just as you would obey Christ. (Eph.
6:5-7).
Some Ref. to read more:
(1 Peter 2:18-21) - (Col. 3:22-24). - (1 Tim.
6:1-2) - (Titus 2:9)…
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Slavery in Islam:
Islam came to fight against Slavery and
encourage Muslims to free slaves.. That’s the
truth
Why you are angry? Just be patient and wait
until I finished.. 
-Our God make among deeds to get his
forgiveness for sins is to free a slave
Koran:
11. But he attempted not the steep ascent;
12. And what should make thee know what the
steep ascent is ?
13. It is the freeing of a slave,
Koran:
92. And he who slays a believer by mistake
shall free a believing slave.
Some Ref. to read more:
(Koran): (05- 88) - (58- 03) …
-There is no preference:
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
said:
There is no preference for Arabs over
non-Arabs, nor for non-Arabs over Arabs.
Neither is their preference for white people
over black people, nor for black people over
white people. Preference is only through
righteousness. . [Musnad Ahmad (22391)]
-Don’t Beat a slave or slap him:
Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as
saying: He who beats a slave without
cognizable offence of his or slaps him, then
expiation for it is that he should set him
free.(Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book
of Oaths (Kitab Al-Aiman), Book 015, Number
4079)"
-Writing:
Koran:
33. And such as desire a deed of manumission
in writing from among those whom your right
hands possess, write it for them if you know
any good in them; and give them out of the
wealth of ALLAH which HE has bestowed upon
you.
To be continued…
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
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Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 21:42:37
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 22:01:18
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Koran:
13. O mankind, WE have created you from a
male and a female; And WE have made you
tribes and sub-tribes that you may know one
another. Verily, the most honourable among
you, in the sight of ALLAH, is he who is the
most righteous among you. Surely, ALLAH is
All-Knowing, All-Aware.
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
socrates
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 22:21:34
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It's pity the Islamic Government in Sudan
don't adhere to those words then - how many
black people have been murdered/dispossessed
by Arabs? I've lost count. |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 22:37:53
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Mr socrates, if you talk about people sorry i
can talk about your people too how they treat
human and contadict their country laws, but
if you talk about religion and laws, its
clear to see thos rules of Islam but the
problem is that bad people who folow their
ivel desires ignore this rules..
its just like in your [censored]ry you have a
rule which forbods kill, but even that some
people kill others, so where is the problem
in laws or in persons?
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
socrates
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 22:52:45
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It's just that your laws are based on 7th
century Arabic life (note how 'paradise'
emphasises running water/delicious fruits)
-something desert/arid land dwellers cherish.
Muhammad knew how to bribe his followers! To
a certain extent, morality is socially and
historically defined - your 'laws' take no
account of this. Can you honestly say Islamic
Saudi/Iran/Sudan etc. have a better system
than say UK - Sweden - Norway or France? |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:02:38
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keepeopnminded
you are one of the most ignorant men in
history
MUSLIMS WERE AND HAVE BEEN THE WORST SLAVERS
IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD
THE ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE when black Africans
were transported to the Americas( much to the
everlasting shame of europeans)
just plugged into the ARAB slave trade that
had been running since the 800's
THE MAIN SLAVE DEALS WERE RUN BY IMMANS
who could move around countries and cross
borders easily
THE ARAB SLAVE TRADE TOOK 2/3 women and 1/3
men and vise versa for the Atlantic slave
trade SO POOR BLACK AFRICANS were captured
in war raids or sold by their neighbours
some got sold to go via ships to America
and the others were marched across the
SAHARA
by Muslims
The Portugese were in the African slave trade
before America was "discovered". It was
"nicer" to run the slaves up to Tangier and
rabat and other placed by ship instead of
walking them up.
THE WOMEN WERE raped until old then released
into the community to " free a slave" and
gain merit with allah. The men often had
their nuts (testicles) cut of before they
entered Muslim kingdoms.
unlike the Americas
there are not many decendants of the Africans
in muslim lands as the men were eunuchs and
the children born to black sex-slaves were
killed. Not only around 15 million Black
people were enslaved ( about the same as were
done by Christians) but earlier the sarcens
plundered the mediterrane for captives and in
years before over about 1 million people were
stolen from all countries of North Europe for
slavery. the women became sex-slaves
and the men worked to they died building the
cities and palaces of Morocco. but hey they
were white who cares about them ?? WHEN
THE LAST ILLEGAL slave ship smuggled its
cargo into CUBA in the 1850's
what happened to the price of Black AFRICAN
SLAVES ? why the price fell as the trade had
halved.
THE FRENCH HAD TO INVADE THE SUB-SAHARAN
COUNTRIES TO SUPPRESS THE TRADE it almost
stopped in 1904.
BUT WHAT NOW
WOW the trade in bLACKS HAS SHOT UP BECAUSE
OF SUDAN. WHICH IS A MAIN POIN OF THE WAR |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:04:58
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you still talk about people while i'm talking
about religion rules, where is "ice-devil" to
judge between us, she alwys contradict me
while when you say something no problem  .. |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:07:04
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MANY good men and women fought to kill the
Atlantic slave trade
but NOT ONE MUSLIM HAS EVER FELT ANY GUILT
ABOUT SLAVERY
when did the slave market in MECCA SHUT
KEEPOPENMINEDE ??
it just shows how cruel allah is to make such
laws ..glad my GOD is the ONE TRUE GOD |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
just_den
Status: Moderator
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:08:30
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whens part two coming out???
slavery... part II... the return of the
shackles...
sorry.. ... i'll shut up now.. |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:17:19
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MOHAMMED AND SLAVES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE
When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to
accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent
for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding
a donkey and when he came near, Allah's
Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for
your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside
Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These
people are ready to accept your judgment."
Sad said, "I give the judgment that their
warriors should be killed and their children
and women should be taken as prisoners." The
Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have
judged amongst them with (or similar to) the
judgment of the King Allah." (Sahih Bukhari
4.280) |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:20:47
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These are the names of Muhammad's male
slaves: Yakan Abu Sharh, Aflah, 'Ubayd,
Dhakwan, Tahman, Mirwan, Hunayn, Sanad,
Fadala Yamamin, Anjasha al-Hadi, Mad'am,
Karkara, Abu Rafi', Thawban, Ab Kabsha,
Salih, Rabah, Yara Nubyan, Fadila, Waqid,
Mabur, Abu Waqid, Kasam, Abu 'Ayb, Abu
Muwayhiba, Zayd Ibn Haritha, and also a black
slave called Mahran, who was re-named (by
Muhammad) Safina (`ship').
SOUNDS LIKE A NICE COFFLE HERE |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:23:50
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such a nice way to treat his a slave
sounds like southern usa around a1790
The apostle of God and his companions went on
a trip. (When) their belongings became too
heavy for them to carry, Muhammad told me,
`Spread your garment.' They filled it with
their belongings, then they put it on me. The
apostle of God told me, `Carry (it), for you
are a ship.' Even if I was carrying the load
of six or seven donkeys while we were on a
journey, anyone who felt weak would throw his
clothes or his shield or his sword on me so I
would carry that, a heavy load. The prophet
told me, `You are a ship"' (refer to Ibn
Qayyim, pp. 115-116; al-Hulya, Vol. 1, p.
369, quoted from Ahmad 5:222).
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:26:00
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such a nice master
"t Muhammad, Abu Bakr and 'Umar. This is
recorded in his book entitled, "The
Commentary of al-Baydawi". On p. 36,
"The Shafi'i and Malik prohibit the killing
of a freeman if he slays his slave or other
men's slaves. This is because 'Ali Ibn
Abi-Talib mentioned that a man had killed his
slave and Muhammad scourged him only; he did
not kill him. It was related on the authority
of Muhammad that he said a Muslim should not
be killed for a non-Muslim, nor a freeman for
a slave; also because Abu Bakr and 'Umar Ibn
al-Khattab did not kill a freeman for a
slave. (This was said) in the presence of all
Muhammad's companions, and no one disapproved
or objected to it."
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:28:00
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Vol. 8, Part II, p. 27 1), Ibn Hazm asserts
that this is the opinion of Abu Hanifa,
Shafi'i, Malik, and Sufyan al-Thawri and not
only his own opinion. This is what the
Sharawi remarks,
"Female slaves are deprived of dignity and
subject to abuse because they are not `an
honor' to anyone (that is, they are not free,
respectable women who belong to a free man).
These are the same words reiterated by the
Shafi'i (Part I, p. 307) in his book, `Ahkam
of the Qur'an'; thus a female slave must not
be veiled. When- ever Muhammad took a woman
as a captive, if he imposed the veil on her,
Muslims would say he took her as a wife, but
if he left her unveiled they would say, `He
owned her as a slave'; that is, she became a
property of his right hand."
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:29:35
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AND
on the authority of Muhammad. In Vol. 6, Part
9, p. 467, Ibn Hazm said,
"If a slave gets married without the
permission of his master, his marriage will
be invalid and he must be whipped because he
has committed adultery. He must be separated
from his wife. She is also regarded as an
adulteress because Muhammad said, `Any slave
who gets married without the approval of his
master is a prostitute6
WHAT A NICE GUY
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:31:06
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no racism here !
Malik Ibn Ons, who (after agreeing with the
other scholars that the master has the right
to force his male or female slave to get
married) added,
"The master does not have the right to force
the female slave to wed to an ugly black
slave if she is beautiful and agile unless in
case of utmost necessity" (refer to Ibn Hazm,
Vol. 6, Part 9, p. 469
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:32:03
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buying a bint
In Vol. 31, p. 383, Ibn Timiyya says,
"It is not permissible for the Arab freeman
to marry an owned slave unless it is
inevitable, such as being unable to get
married to a free woman. If it happened and
he were wed to a slave, her children would be
slaves, too, because they follow (the status)
of the mother in slavery."
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:34:11
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SUPPOSE A WOMAN WANTS TO MARRY HER SLAVE ?
in this case If something like that took
place in Islamic society, it would be a
disaster! Umar Ibn Khattab in these
situations. In Vol. 8, Part 11, pp. 248, 249,
Ibn Hazm remarks,
"A woman was wed to her male slave. Umar
intended to stone her, but instead he made
them separate and sent the slave to exile. He
told the woman, `It is unlawful for you to
get married to your owned slave!' Another
woman got married to her slave. Umar scourged
her with a whip and forbade any man to marry
her. Another time, a freewoman came to Umar
and told him, `I am not a pretty woman and I
have a slave to whom I would like to get
married.' Umar refused to do so. He whipped
the slave and ordered him to be sold in a
foreign country. He told the woman, `It is
unlawful for you to get married to what your
right hand owns. Only men have the right to
get wed to what their right hand owns. Even
if you set him free in order to marry him and
he becomes a freeman, the manumission will be
invalid and the marriage is not
valid."'
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:35:28
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THE REALITY OF SLAVERY
SOUNDS LIKE USA 1804
"If an owned slave assaults somebody and
damages his property, his crime will be tied
to his neck. It will be said to his master,
`If you wish, you can pay the fine for the
damages done by your slave or deliver him to
be sentenced to death.' His master has to
choose one of the two options - either the
value of the slave and his price or the
damage the slave has caused" (Vol. 32, p.
202, Ibn Timiyya). |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:41:03
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WHAT ABOUT A CHRISTIAN VIEW
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is
neither slave nor free, there is neither male
nor female; for you are all one in Christ
Jesus" (Gal. 3:28)."
AND
But you, do not be called `Rabbi' [master];
for One is your Teacher [master], the Christ,
and you are all brethren" (Matt. 23:8).
"But he who is greatest among you shall be
your servant. And whoever exalts himself will
be abased (humbled); and he who humbles
himself will be exalted" (Matt. 23:12).
PAUL WROTE ""I am sending him back. You
therefore receive him, that is, my own heart.
Receive him ... no longer as a slave but ...
as a beloved brother, ..., both in the flesh
and in the Lord"
Christians to "give your servants what is
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
just_den
Status: Moderator
Date:
2008-05-01
Time: 23:46:29
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position on slaves....
you do seem to love giving me these openings
to make barmy comments you know...
i'll try restrain myself.... |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:02:43
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Koran:
27. And if thou couldst only see when they
are made to stand before the Fire ! They will
say, `Oh, would that we might be sent back !
And then we would not treat the Signs of our
Lord as lies and we would be of the
believers.' |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:04:50
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Koran:
29. And they say, `There is nothing except
this our present life, and we shall not be
raised again.'
30. And if thou couldst only see when they
are made to stand before their Lord, HE will
say, `Is not this second life the truth ?
They will say, `Yea, by our Lord.' HE will
say, `Then taste the punishment because you
disbelieved.'
31. Those indeed are the losers who deny the
meeting with ALLAH, so much so, that when the
Hour shall come on them unawares, they will
say, `O our grief for our neglecting this
Hour !' And they shall bear their burdens on
their backs. Surely, evil is that which they
bear.
32. And the life of this world is nothing but
a sport and pastime. And surely the abode of
the Hereafter is better for those who are
righteous. Will you not then understand ?
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
just_den
Status: Moderator
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:07:54
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i love you openminded...
karen:
26. "get your hand off my knee"
i know, i'm a sinner and i should get well
and truly stoned.. |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:16:27
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Koran:
42. And think not that ALLAH is unaware of
what the wrongdoers do. HE only gives them
respite till the day on which their eyes will
fixedly stare in horror;
43. They will hurry along in fright, raising
up their heads, their gaze not returning to
them, and their hearts utterly void.
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:18:07
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Koran:
29. Say, `On the day of victory the faith of
the disbelievers shall not avail them, nor
will they be respited.'
30. So turn away from them, and wait. They
are also waiting. |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
just_den
Status: Moderator
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:25:42
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i dont think i need to, you seem to be
publishing it here...
erm... no offense intended but....^^^ who are
you actually talking to?? |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:27:46
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just_den, May I ask you a question?
you have 37 yrs old..
married..
have girl..
educated..
so surely you got a good experience in
life..
my question is:
you think a human can write Koran ?
can figure out all probablities that people
will do in future, or what will happen in the
universe?
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
just_den
Status: Moderator
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:34:33
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you most certainly can...
but..
37 yrs old..
not married..
have girl..
not to much educated..
but, yes, i personally think all holy books
and writings of all religions are purely man
made, to me, it seems an obvious reaction for
people, especially in historical times to
manufacture a god or gods, simply because
they cannot begin to imagine how we got
here..
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:38:00
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ok just_den surely you heard about big bang
and that the world was one peace that parted
right?
so how can a man know that before 1400 yrs
ago..
please ponder over that:
Koran:
[Ambiya 21:30] Did not the disbelievers
observe that the heavens and the earth were
together, so We parted them, and we made
every living thing from water? So will they
not accept faith?
[Ambiya 21:31] And We have placed mountains
as anchors in the earth so that it may not
shake with them; and We kept wide roads in
it, so that they may find guidance.
[Ambiya 21:32] And We have made the sky a
roof, protected; and they turn away from its
signs.
[Ambiya 21:33] And it is He Who created the
night and the day, and the sun and the moon;
each one floats in an orbit.
[Ambiya 21:34] And before you, We did not
appoint on earth a never-ending life for any
human; will they, if you depart, become
immortal?
[Ambiya 21:35] Every living being must taste
death; and We test you with harm and with
good, a trial; and to Us only you have to
return.
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
just_den
Status: Moderator
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:48:05
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that reminds me of the people who michelle de
nostradame made predictions..
stretching things to fit after the fact..
how do we know that refers to heavens as in
space and not heavens as in what you would
called heaven?? the place you believe you'll
go when you die...
that is a matter of interpretation, i would
interpret that very differently..
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:54:07
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ok it's very easy:
in arabic sky called : sama'a
in arabic earth called : ard
in arabic heaven or paradise called : jannah
or ferdaws.
search for this word and you'l find that the
world in this verse is sky (sama'a) not
paradise..
2- what about sun and moon each one in orbit?
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:57:38
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NASA discovered moon split but:
The "Quran" refers to this accident in the
following verses before 1400 years ago:
{The Hour has approached, and the moon split.
But whenever they see a sign, they turn away
and say, this is evident magic}. (Al-Qamar:
54:1-2)
At that time science and civilization were
not yet well advanced and not widespread,
and, therefore, the observation of the sky
was very limited, so who told "Muhammad peace
be upon him" that the moon split?
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 00:58:39
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Scientists agree that before the galaxies in
the universe were formed, celestial matter
was initially in the form of gaseous matter.
In short, huge gaseous matter or clouds were
present before the formation of the galaxies.
To describe initial celestial matter, the
word ‘smoke’ is more appropriate than gas.
The following "Quranic" verse refers to this
state of the universe by the Arabic word
"dukhaan" which means smoke.
{Then turned He (God) to the heaven when it
was smoke}. (Fussilat: 41:10)
Before 1400 years ago this was not known to
anyone
So who told "Muhammad peace be upon him"
that?
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 01:00:05
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moon reflect sunlight
The "Quran" refers to this in the following
verses before 1400 years ago:
{Did you see how Allah created seven heavens,
one above the other, and made in them the
moon a light and the sun a lamp?"!}. (Nuh:
78:12-13)
{Blessed be he who hath placed in heaven
mansions of the stars, and hath placed
therein a great lamp and a moon giving
light!}. (Al-Furkan: 25:61)
Moon giving light = in Arabic "muneer" means
reflect light.
At that time people know that the moon has
its own light, so who told "Muhammad peace be
upon him" that the moon reflect
sunlight?
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
just_den
Status: Moderator
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 01:03:36
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in the first case i see your point, but it
doesn't suggest they knew about the big bang,
surely it would say directly and not leave it
open to interpretation...
in the second the sun isn't in orbit, its at
the centre of our galaxy, the moon on the
other hand is a result of a cataclysmic
collision billions of years ago, there is a
second moon too, both of which though are
perfectly explainable in science, i
appreciate you may not agree with certain
scientific theories and reasonings because
again that is only theoretically
explainable...
but there is no proof of any god today that
we can look at, all holy books have many
errors and stories that are just too
unbelievable to be true..
anyway, i'm getting tired and may well be
starting to talk crap, so i must go to my own
heaven which is my bed...
as ever, its been a pleasure...
night night.. |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 01:03:43
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i have more scientific proofs pove that Koran
is from God.. if you want more i'm ready ..
tell me please can you write this ? and
especially if you were before 1400 yrs ago?
be honest..
Koran:
6. Say, `HE, Who knows every secret of the
heavens and the earth, has revealed it.
Verily, HE is the Most Forgiving, Merciful.'
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
suze
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 06:40:29
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ive just woken up keepo
but your drivel is curing my insomnia a treat
no wonder the islamic population never create
anything worthwhile, the koran is so
soporific |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 07:09:24
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keepopenminded re :- 29 30 in other surah...
refer to Koran to understand .
if you friggin well bothered to quote chapter
AND verse people who are not familiar with
the Koran can look it up .
but I think your mind goes to zero and you
selectively quote out of context so people
can't point what the koran is really saying |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-05-02
Time: 07:31:03
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I think is so splendid that keepopenminded
has actually starting to claim the scientific
proof of the Koran.
THE notion that the Koran is scientific
provable was a scam started by s devout
Catholic doctor called Bucaille a Frenchman
who worked in Saudi Arabia. I think it must
have been a plan coked up by the Pope to
discredit the Koran.
In his book Dr Bucaille is so totally
straight faced. He uses the most feeble
theology to slag off the bible and finds
science in many parts of the Koran. He even
suggests that words in the koran that have an
unclear meaning are waiting for science to
discover whatever so science can catch up
with the koran.
In his book he points out subtly how you can
disporove that what the koran said had been
written before in other books centiries
before and also points out root Arabic words
that prove that the Koran wited didnt have a
clue and slags off the bible in such a way
that the average 15 schoolchild can see.
BUT the whole books went down a treat In the
ISLAMIC world .
It is said the the good Dr Bacaille has so
much money given to him by the king of saudi
that he needed a cargo jumbo jet just to
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proof of keepopenminded ignorance |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 09:59:16
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KEEPOPEHMIND ! WROTE
"moon reflect sunlight
The "Quran" refers to this in the following
verses before 1400 years ago:
{Did you see how Allah created seven
heavens,
one above the other, and made in them the
moon a light and the sun a lamp?"!}. (Nuh:
78:12-13)
{Blessed be he who hath placed in heaven
mansions of the stars, and hath placed
therein a great lamp and a moon giving
light!}. (Al-Furkan: 25:61)
Moon giving light = in Arabic "muneer" means
reflect light.
At that time people know that the moon has
its own light, so who told "Muhammad peace
be
upon him" that the moon reflect"
WELL HOW DID ALLAH KNOW THAT THE MOON
REFLECTED LIGHT AND TOLD THE PROHET MOHAMMED
(SWAT) ?
WELL LET ME SEE
ALLAH could have read some very common books
at the time.
FR'INSTANCE
PHILO JUDAEUS of Alexandria in Egypt lived
around 40AD and wrote much interesting stuff
and to be found on page 810 of the
hendrickson translation publication when
talking about the age of people PHILO say
(91)...."since it is on the fifteenth day
that the moon is rendered full of light,
BORROWING ITS LIGHT FROM THE SUN AT THE
APPROACH OF EVENING, AND RESTORING IT TO HIM
AGIN IN THE MORNING..
what can we conclude..the NOTED SCHOLAR
keepopenminded states that it was not known
that the moon reflected light until the
qur'an was sent down around 700 years later(
700 years ago Edward 2 was just starting)
SO from what keepopenminded STATES
WE CAN ONLY CONCLUDE THAT THE SAID PHILO
JUDAEUS of Alexandria IS ALLAH !!!!!!!!!!!
i am sure that DUR keepopenminded cannot be
wrong
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 10:08:18
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keepopenminded wrote "NASA discovered moon
split but:
The "Quran" refers to this accident in the
following verses before 1400 years ago:
{The Hour has approached, and the moon
split.
But whenever they see a sign, they turn away
and say, this is evident magic}. (Al-Qamar:
54:1-2) "
I think that Muslim scholars think that the
moon split came when the American astronaults
took moon rocks from the surface of the
moon..,,,you really ought to read Islmaic
propoganda hehe |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-03
Time: 10:18:53
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""" Scientists agree that before the galaxies
in
the universe were formed, celestial matter
was initially in the form of gaseous matter.
In short, huge gaseous matter or clouds were
present before the formation of the
galaxies.
To describe initial celestial matter, the
word ‘smoke’ is more appropriate than gas.
The following "Quranic" verse refers to this
state of the universe by the Arabic word
"dukhaan" which means smoke.
{Then turned He (God) to the heaven when it
was smoke}. (Fussilat: 41:10)
Before 1400 years ago this was not known to
anyone
So who told "Muhammad peace be upon him"
that? ""
it is VERY wrong to describe the
interstellar gas as smoke
SMOKE consists of fine carbon paricles
suspended in gas.
WHERE DID THIS CARBON come from EH ?
so mohammed and allah and the qur'an gets it
wrong AGAIN |
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Re: Slavery... [Part 1] |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-05-07
Time: 21:48:54
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THE PROPER CONTEXT THAT KEEPOPENMINDED KEPT
FROM YOU
THE GODLESS HYPOCRITE
Deuteronomy 15:12-18 (New American Standard
Bible)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971,
1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman
Foundation
12" If your kinsman, a Hebrew man or
woman, is sold to you, then he shall serve
you six years, but in the seventh year you
shall set him free.
13"When you set him free, you shall not send
him away empty-handed.
14"You shall furnish him liberally from your
flock and from your threshing floor and from
your wine vat; you shall give to him as the
LORD your God has blessed you.
15"You shall remember that you were a slave
in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God
redeemed you; therefore I command you this
today.
16"It shall come about  if he says to you,
'I will not go out from you,' because he
loves you and your household, since he fares
well with you;
17then you shall take an awl and pierce it
through his ear into the door, and he shall
be your servant forever. Also you shall do
likewise to your maidservant.
18"It shall not seem hard to you when you
set him free, for he has given you six years
with double the service of a hired man; so
the LORD your God will bless you in whatever
you do.
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