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Re: Women in Islam. |
rushna
Date:
2008-02-26
Time: 00:34:49
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false, im muslim as well and we are treated
perfectly fine, there are muslim men who
oppress women but i think that is old
fashioned eastern culture and not the
religion. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
nickymondiego
Date:
2008-02-27
Time: 10:21:46
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It is written that the women of islam are the
gateway to the god, and through birth comes
god's return.
It is also written that all men will be
turned by the devil.
The koran is a very wise book, some of it is
a bit long winded and fairy tale but other
than that it is a good read. I had to learn
it for a job i was on. sorry i had to learn
it and believe it for the job I was on. To me
it is a book of peace. Any man who kills in
the name of god or allah (pbuh) is the spawn
of satan. anyman who talks of death and
killing and condones it is the concubine of
the devil. Take a look at abu hamza. he blood
is the colour of [censored]roaches (the
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Re: Women in Islam. |
nickymondiego
Date:
2008-02-27
Time: 20:12:31
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the koran like all religious books has been
corrupted and re-invented by power hungry
man. man wants control over his wife, his
brother and his enemy. the koran is being
used by people with that mentality to sway
the minds of otherwise friendly and loving
people.
God would never let man kill another man. do
not believe the lies of our priests and
politicians. they are devil swollen eggs of
evil. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-02-27
Time: 20:42:50
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karox wrote "I cannot imagine that Jesus or
Mohammed were
wife beaters. Remember, it is not so long
ago
that Christian women, largely owing to the
Church fathers idea of original sin, were
treated like chattel. I don't think the
problem is religion, but the interpretaion
of
it by the power hungry. "
THE view of those early church fathers was
very much a minority one and never gained any
credence in Christian communities.
One should note tha ADAM blamed EVE for
original sim but GOD did not not.
The true CHRISTIAN view should come from
passages like .....
"Husbands, love your wives, JUST AS Christ
loved the church and gave himself up for her
to make her holy, cleansing her by the
washing with water through the word, and to
present her to himself as a radiant church,
without stain or wrinkle or any other
blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same
way, husbands ought to love their wives as
their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves
himself. After all, no one ever hated his own
body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as
Christ does the church - for we are members
of his body. 'For this reason a man will
leave his father and mother and be united to
his wife, and the two will become one flesh.'
This is a profound mystery - but I am talking
about Christ and the church. However, each
one of you also must love his wife AS HE
LOVES HIMSELF, and the wife must respect her
husband." Ephesians 5:25-33
AND
"Now for the matters you wrote about: It is
good for a man not to marry. But since there
is so much immorality, each man should have
his own wife, and each woman her own husband.
The husband should fulfill his marital duty
to his wife, and likewise the wife to her
husband. The wife's body does not belong to
her alone but also to her husband. IN THE
SAME WAY, the husband's body does not belong
to him alone BUT ALSO TO HIS WIFE. Do not
deprive each other except by MUTUAL consent
and for a time, so that you may devote
yourselves to prayer. Then come together
again so that Satan will not tempt you
because of your lack of self-control." 1
Corinthians 7:1-5
BUT IN ISLAM ALLAH says in HIS HOLY QU'RAN
...
"Men are superior to women on account of the
qualities which God hath gifted the one above
the other, and on account of the outlay they
make from their substance for them. Virtuous
women are obedient, careful, during the
husband's absence, because God hath of them
been careful. But chide those for whose
refractoriness ye have cause to fear; remove
them into beds apart, AND SCOURGE THEM: but
if they are obedient to you then seek not
occasion against them: verily, God is High,
Great!" S. 4:34
AND REALLY PLEASINGLY
Your wives are as A TILTH unto you; so
approach YOUR TILTH when or how ye will; but
do some good act for your souls beforehand;
and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet
Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good
tidings to those who believe." S. 2:223.
MY COUSIN is a farmer and you should see what
he does with his tilth.
and in the HADITHS said to be the sayings of
the PROPHET MOHAMMED HIMSELF
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man
will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
(Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2142)
AND
Narrated Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab:
Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab reported the
Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) as
saying: Do not beat Allah's handmaidens, but
when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah
(peace_be_upon_him) and said: Women have
become emboldened towards their husbands, HE
(the Prophet) GAVE PERMISSION TO BEAT THEM.
Then many women came round the family of the
Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him)
complaining against their husbands. So the
Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said:
Many women have gone round Muhammad's family
complaining against their husbands. They are
not the best among you. (Sunan Abu Dawud,
Book 11, Number 2141)
and AND
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "If a man invites his wife
to sleep with him and she refuses to come to
him, then the angels send their curses on her
till morning." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7,
Book 62, Number 122)
and AND
Narrated Qays ibn Sa'd:
I went to al-Hirah and saw them (the people)
prostrating themselves before a satrap of
theirs, so I said: The Apostle of Allah
(peace_be_upon_him) has most right to have
prostration made before him. When I came to
the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him), I said: I
went to al-Hirah and saw them prostrating
themselves before a satrap of theirs, but you
have most right, Apostle of Allah, to have
(people) prostrating themselves before you.
He said: Tell me, if you were to pass my
grave, would you prostrate yourself before
it? I said: No. He then said: Do not do so.
If I were to command anyone to make
prostration before another I WOULD COMMAND
WOMEN TO PROSTRATE THEMSELVES BEFORE THEIR
HUSBANDS, because of the special right over
them given to husbands by Allah. (Sunan Abu
Dawud, Book 11, Number 2135)
I COULD GO ON AND ON and on
BUT THIS SHOWS THAT MOHAMMED really knew how
to treat his women...........
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-02-27
Time: 20:47:35
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reiver
in SHARAIH law
A MUSLIM MAN ought to marry a Muslim or Jew
or Christian but may shag whom he pleases
even a pagan but a muslim woman who marries a
non-muslim is a adulterer and the children
are [censored]s and she is up for a stoning. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
rushna
Date:
2008-02-27
Time: 23:00:34
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when did its say a muslim man can shag
anyone? dat aint true! by the way muslim men
should marry jews and christians if they dont
find muslim women.
as for a muslim woman im sure we dont hav a
problem wid not bein allowed to be wid
non-muslims. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
aaami
Date:
2008-02-28
Time: 01:25:07
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martyn before saying this if u studied islam
u will come to know what is the image of
women in islam by Allah subhanatallah |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
rushna
Date:
2008-02-28
Time: 16:24:45
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NICELY SAID AAAMI!
THESE NON-MUSLIM PEOPLE ALWAYS CLAIM THAT
WOMEN ARE TREATED BADLY IN ISLAM! WHAT DA
HECK DO THEY KNOW? WHY DONT THEY JUST ASK
MUSLIM WOMEN? |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
suze
Date:
2008-02-28
Time: 20:03:02
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reiver thats interesting what u said about
the ex of the muslim lady.
i get inundated with turks pm'ing me in chat
rooms. they are invariably islamic and often
married.
as soon as i say i dont wanna chat they tend
to call me racist and then sometimes get
abusive.
i guess its the macho thing - "i'm a man and
i am irrestible to women and cant accept that
u do not want to sleep with me" unable to
accept that im not interested |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-02-28
Time: 21:29:51
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JUST THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE
WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN BY LOVING MUSLIM MEN
ABOUT WOMEN
FROM SAHIH BUKARIA
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to
me, "What type of lady have you married?" I
replied, "I have married a matron' He said,
"Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins
and for fondling them?" Jabir also said:
Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a
young girl so that you might play with her
and she with you?'
SO PEADS THERE YOU HAVE IT
JOIN ISLAM AND FONDLE YOUNG GIRLS LEGALLY
AND THIS NICE ATTITUDE
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 31:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Evil omen was mentioned before the Prophet:
The Prophet said, "If there is evil omen in
anything, it is in the house, the woman and
the horse."
AND
NICE MARRIAGE TO A CHILD
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six
years old and he consummated his marriage
when she was nine years old, and then she
remained with him for nine years (i.e., till
his death).
and now a nice way to treat women of men
defeated in war ....FROM SAHIH BUKHARI -
VOLUME 3, #432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri that
while he was sitting with Allah's messenger
we said, "Oh Allah's messenger, we got female
captives as our booty, and we are interested
in their prices, what is your opinion about
coitus interruptus?" The prophet said, "Do
you really do that? It is better for you not
to do it. No soul that which Allah has
destined to exist, but will surely come into
existence."
Qaza'a said, "I heard Abu Said saying that
the prophet said, "No soul is ordained to be
created but Allah will create it.""
SO ............ |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
nickymondiego
Date:
2008-02-29
Time: 20:56:37
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rushna.
women actually have the good deal in Islam.
WOrk it out. The men are the trouble, they
are the ones making the rules,writing the
scriptures playing the devil. One law for
them and another one for you.
Allah could even be a woman. i don't know
and I even worshipped him for a bit. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
rock_007
Date:
2008-03-05
Time: 22:02:31
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hey ,first of all i wud like to say thnks for
askin about our religion. now answerinon ur
comment if quran was corrupted how cme we ave
the original langauge ths arabic preservd
from 1,400 years. my second point u havent
checkd quran wid science the big bang theory
already been foretold in the quran so how can
dat be possible 1,400 years ago a man widout
ney scientific skills cud make up things.if u
ave ney questions free to ask
thnk u |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
rock_007
Date:
2008-03-05
Time: 22:15:26
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hi,thnks for the comments.i wud like to make
some points on ur comments,firstly islam is
not culture its way of life.so to know about
islam we dnt ave to study someone culture
instead we read holy koran.which is main
source of muslims.my second point islam does
allow socialising ,allowing women to work in
way without harming the society ..if u ave
further comments feel free to ask.. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-03-06
Time: 00:42:33
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ROCK
IF you examine ancient documents written by
Egyptians Greeks Persians Indians Romans etc
( some written hundreds of years before the
QU'RAN )you will find much of the so-called
science. It was a document of its time
SO NO MIRACLE THERE |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
socrates
Date:
2008-03-19
Time: 21:19:59
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Yes Rock007 - I would like to ask : Is it
true women are not allowed to drive in
Saudi?
Is it true a Quranic verse states it is
allowable to beat your wife on occasions?
Is it true a womans testimony in an Islamic
court is worth only half that of a mans?
Refering to the earlier post, that women are
'treated like Queens' in Islam - what if a
woman doesn't want to be a 'Queen'? What if
she wants to make her own way in
business/dine with men of HER choice etc.?
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Re: Women in Islam. |
fos
Date:
2008-03-21
Time: 18:07:05
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DEAR MIGHTY
once again you can go on and on and on
its got to the point that i fink u make half
the stuff up just to rile me
as a muslim my husband treats me with the
utmost respect - as rock said i am able to do
work if i want
as far as travelling alone (sparkle)this is
cos woman should be able to travel without
having to stress or worry - that should be
left to the guyto make sure that the woman
can travel in peace.
mighy why did u forget to comment on the fact
thatif a muslim wife worked - all her money
is hers - the husband still has to make sure
that she is well looked after. that means
even if i have a good wage my huubby still
has to pay for my make up.
secondly - this might interest u suze - u
forget to mention that if a huubby is allowed
to come to his wife whenever he wants he is
also not allowed to leave until she also
feels fulfilled - as in it is a sin on him if
he withdrwas without the woman having an
orgasm first. how many guys can say they have
always followed that rule.
as far as woman not leaving the house thats
cos men are ment to be able to bring them
evrythin they need without them having to go
out themselves to get.
but as already pointed out - religon is
easily twisted.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
roversm23
Date:
2008-03-21
Time: 20:39:39
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Two and a half years i gave my heart to that
p.ki cow her family threw her out the only
support she got was from local sufi she drank
ate pork and believed in equal rights showed
to interest in islam beliefs then two and a
half years down she empties my bank breaks my
heart leaves me in a mess just to move to
luton to now practice islam she must of her
thing wi the gurha! |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
roversm23
Date:
2008-03-21
Time: 21:13:33
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Thats i life i suppose and sorry for using p
word just still bitter i think and she got
best green now im back on bloody council bar
:-( |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
roversm23
Date:
2008-03-21
Time: 21:31:04
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Thanks x just dont let your parents speak the
way you do about islam otherwise they will
send you on first plain to pakistan to be
married |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
harpicpulpa
Date:
2008-03-21
Time: 21:56:05
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AS a muslım
ın a n honest way
all ı can say not very good even ı
lıve ın the only lıberal
country..
closed muslım socıty makes
pressure
you should be
rıch,clever,smart,beautıful
whatever you have best ,makes no sense..
ıts males socıety
you have to work more to get equal chance and
promotıon ın your job
and
ın muslım socıety,males are
growıng up wıth mums lıke a a
dıamonds,snob..
a man never can have hıs own
famıly totaly
generally connected wıth hıs house
and mum
and theır wıfes has no
meanıng..
ın muslım socıety males are
hungary for sex..
they see females as sex objects,they
soemtımes can act but makes no sense
even
the most well educated ones...
so
ıts not good..ıt was good ın
past..but today radıcal
ıslamıc wınd all around the
world..
thıs ıs why ı hate all
muslım men
they have track mınd
they cant to see a woman a s a human..
anyway some ırısh catholıcs
the same..
muslım men cant change
thıs ıs why ı hate them
ıts about socıety..and ı just
saw the dıfference when ı have a
non muslım bf..
ıam lucky..
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Re: Women in Islam. |
suze
Date:
2008-03-21
Time: 21:57:27
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covkid thats a sad news item from our view
point. i assume that it is normal in the
culture of riyadh (altho i dont know for
sure)
we dont understand the culture and its best
that we dont spend too much time trying to
change things. bear in mind the way we
object to outsiders trying to change our
cultur! |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
suze
Date:
2008-03-21
Time: 22:01:44
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rover having read that bitter ramble about
yer former gf (sorry it never worked out for
u tho) i can understand why you have racial
issues, like the ones that u accused me of
having!
hopefully ur over it now and u will be able
to control your emotions |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
loonylulu007
Date:
2008-03-23
Time: 04:47:37
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You do have very much points of view, but I
beg to differ. You are a humaniatarian, they
do not have the wisdom you have.
In an equall society, islam law could never
be sustainable, please, the basis of their
law creates insusbtinance! |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
socrates
Date:
2008-03-23
Time: 14:17:44
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Fos - you sound like a vunerable child rather
than a woman - '...drive me around to avoid
stress' - you are not serious? Maybe in
primitive states in the Middle East you need
a 'minder' - but most Western women are able
to drive AND take care of themselves. It
seems you want a chaufuer and a bodygaurd,
while Western women simply get on with their
lives. Get real! |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
socrates
Date:
2008-03-23
Time: 17:52:08
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Your welcome - but it does seem a medeival
mindset, when a woman actually sees herself
as akin to a child ie. needing to be overseen
by a man - if I was a woman I would be
insulted. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
socrates
Date:
2008-03-23
Time: 18:04:01
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Your welcome - but it does seem some women
are glad to have a supine role - subserviant
to a man , rather like a child needing to be
overseen. Maybe they are scared of
responsibilty. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
fos
Date:
2008-03-25
Time: 00:07:17
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ACTUALLY SOCRATES I DRIVE AND I WORK - I ALSO
GO OUT AT NIGHT. HOWEVER I WAS GIVING YOU THE
CHANCE TO SEE WHERE SOME MUSLIMS ARE COMING
FROM. ALSO CALLING ME A CHILD WAS UNCALLED
FOR AS U DONT KNOW WHAT LIFE AROUND ME IS
ABOUT - I HAVE AN OPINON AND DECIDED TO AIR
IT JUST LIKE U DID.
SPARKLE THE QURAN IS ONE HOLY BOOK ALONG WITH
THE SCTIPTURES OF THE TOHRAH THAT HAVE NEVER
BEEN CHANGED - ONLY THE TRANSLATIONS DIFFER -
PROOF - VERY OLD QURANS AND NEWER WRITTEN
QURANS HAVE BEEN TAKEN FROM ALL AROUND THE
WORLD AND COMPARED IN A STUDY DONE BY NON-
MUSLIMS AND IT IS FOUND THAT THE ARABIC IN
ALL WERE ONE AND THE SAME. HOWEVER IT IS
KNOWN FACT THAT ALL TRANSLATIONS ARE DIFFER
IN VIEWS AND ALL
SUZE - THANKS BUT IM NOT THAT LUCKY SADLY
THIS IS ANOTHER AREA OF ISLAM THAT MY HUBBY
DOESNT TEND TO FOLLOW - BUT SOMETIMES HE
PULLS THROUGH LOL
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Re: Women in Islam. |
socrates
Date:
2008-03-30
Time: 17:44:20
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I was not being personal when making that
remark - however you did imply women aught to
be driven around by men 'to make it less
stressful' - what else is one to conclude
from this? |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
libyan_girl
Date:
2008-04-05
Time: 16:28:33
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well personally, as being a muslim girl .. i
did experience some wrong and rights in
islam.
basically my mother is a good muslim but
thinks that women should have freedom
and my father opposite, so they always fight
(whichi i personally think is quite a silly
thing)
my father believes that women should clean
cook and look after us .. he even stopped her
from working
i mean, i agree that some woman are not
treated like men but you have to remember
that they are not treated like cattle either.
they a protected, no husband wants to treat
his wife badly unless he has a physicological
problem or something.
basically, islam want to protect their woman.
think about it, imagine you had a beautiful
wife, and she went to work and a man loved
her and tried to make her divorce you, how
would you feel? so they cover the woman to
hide their beauty. i like this because it
shows how much you really love someone.
biologically from teenage to meno pause woman
want to make themselves look nice and where
make up straighten their hair because they
are ready to breed, they want to find a mate.
that of course i am talking biologically. and
so if u married a lady u can never trust
whether she would ever fall for someone else.
so islam really protects this issure.
in our country the boys whistle and annoy
girls who wear un appropriate clothes that
may cause embarrassment (e.g. short skirts,
tops) because they want to protect the girls
and make society respect them , so bascially
they go back in and where respectable clothes
another time they walk out.
i agree about not letting a girl on holiday,
i think if the parents think the girl is
mature enough to protect herself and not
cause any trouble , they should let her go.
at the end of the day u never know whether
somebody is going to get stabbed in a train
or shot on the beach. what happens
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Re: Women in Islam. |
alham
Date:
2008-04-05
Time: 19:28:38
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the peoblem is not in islam or the woman it
is the way the man think coz they can not
take that a woman be biter than them on life
coz the woman has all her rights in the kran
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Re: Women in Islam. |
sicssalman
Date:
2008-04-05
Time: 19:56:56
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Women is Islam.
Islam is the one religion which teach women
rights and her respect.
See full series by Dr. Zakir Naik:
www . youtube . com/watch?v=X2X8XG_cQnc
Please copy page above link on your browser
and remove space from link.
If you want to learn the respect of the women
in Islam and more about the Islam then
download the file from this link.
www . irf . net/irf/download/index. htm
Space need to remove from the link and
download many books.
I you want to learn more then ask.
Thanks
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-17
Time: 19:11:58
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Hi everybody
Indeed Women are treated in Islam like
queens, how it comes?
Very simple, if you got something valuable
how you’re gonna tread it, surely you’ll do
your best to keep it away from harm, from
sealing, ect…
It’s the same for women, they are valuable in
Islam.
Islam forbids woman to travel by herself just
to save her from many problems during
self-travelling, but it allows her to travel
with someone like her father, brother, uncle
or another one who is forbidden to her in
marriage.
Women can works in Islam but with some
conditions:
Koran:
59. O Prophet ! tell thy wives and thy
daughters, and the women of the believers,
that they should pull down upon them of their
outer cloaks from their heads over their
faces. That is more likely that they may thus
be recognized and not molested. And ALLAH is
Most Forgiving, Merciful.
Koran:
31. And say to the believing women that they
restrain their looks and guard their private
parts, and that they display not their beauty
or their embellishment except that which is
apparent thereof, and that they draw their
head-coverings over their bosoms, and that
they display not their beauty or their
embellishment save to their husbands, or to
their fathers, or the fathers of their
husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their
husbands, or their brothers or the sons of
their brothers, or the sons of their sisters,
or women who are their companions, or those
that their right hands possess, or such of
male attendants as have no desire for women,
or young children who have not yet attained
knowledge of the hidden parts of women. And
that they strike not their feet so that what
they hide of their ornaments may become
known. And turn ye to ALLAH all together, O
believers, that you may prosper.
32. O wives of the Prophet ! you are not like
any other women if you are righteous. So be
not soft in speech, lest he, in whose heart
is a disease, should feel tempted; and speak
decent words.
And we don't forget women's role in educating
children, raised them up to be successful,
righteous and have good manners.
In fact there are many woman’s qualities that
we cannot ignore, that’s why she means much
to us, and she very respected and valuable
why not and she is my mother, my sister, my
daughter.
It is she who suffered during pregnancy to
give birth.
It is she who used to stay awake look after
her children
…
Koran:
14. And we have enjoined on man to be good to
his parents -his mother bears him in weakness
upon weakness, and his weaning takes two
years - and said, `Give thanks to ME and thy
parents. Unto ME is the final return;
15. And if they contend with thee to make
thee set up equals with ME concerning which
thou hast no knowledge, obey them not, but be
a kind companion to them in worldly affairs,
and in spiritual matters follow the way of
him who turns to ME. Then unto ME will be
your return and I shall inform you of what
you used to do.
Koran:
23. Thy Lord has commanded that ye worship
none but HIM, and that ye show kindness to
parents. If one or both of them attain old
age with thee, never say to them as much as
ugh nor reproach them, but always address
them with kindly speech.
24. And lower them the wing of humility out
of tenderness. And say, `My Lord, have mercy
on them even as they nourished me when I was
a little child.'
25. Your Lord knows best what is in your
minds, if you are righteous, then surely, HE
is Most Forgiving to those who turn to HIM
again and again.
26. And give to the kinsman his due, and to
the poor and the wayfarer, and squander not
thy wealth extravagantly.
27. Verily, the squanderers are brothers of
satans and Satan is ungrateful to his Lord.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-17
Time: 23:21:02
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libyangirl wrote ""in our country the boys
whistle and annoy
girls who wear un appropriate clothes that
may cause embarrassment (e.g. short skirts,
tops) because they want to protect the girls
and make society respect them , so bascially
they go back in and where respectable
clothes
another time they walk out. "
LIBYANGIRL THAT COMMENT IS SO SO UNTRUE
the boys anD men in Islamic countries are
dirty minded toerags who have sex on their
mind.....much like most men..
BUT MEN in other non-islamic societies are
taught to respect woman and not pester them.
IT IS WHEN A WOMAN OF IN ISLAMIC COUNTRY
MAKES A SILLY EXCUSE FOR THEM THAT IS SO
WORRYING.. A woman I know of of who speaks
Arabic when she was ordinality dressed on
holiday in Algeria was followed by young
teenage boys begging her for sex
IT IS NO FRAKING BUSINESS OF ANY MAN HOW A
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-18
Time: 00:48:14
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keepanopen
personally I would prefer you to comment on
my religious posts NOT my jokes. my daughters
have no money value but they have a love and
life value greater than the whole cost of the
universe |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-18
Time: 03:12:38
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« Annastasia » I advise you to find a
righteous man and get married.
Koran.
21. And of HIS Signs is that HE has created
wives for you from among yourselves that you
may find peace of mind in them, and HE has
put love and tenderness between you. In that,
surely, are Signs for a people who reflect.
Koran.
32. And arrange marriages for widows from
among you, and for your male slaves and
female slaves who are fit for marriage. If
they be poor, ALLAH will grant them means out
of HIS bounty; and ALLAH is Bountiful,
All-Knowing.
33. And let those who find no means of
marriage keep themselves chaste, until ALLAH
grants them means out of HIS bounty. And such
as desire a deed of manumission in writing
from among those whom your right hands
possess, write it for them if you know any
good in them; and give them out of the wealth
of ALLAH which HE has bestowed upon you. And
force not your maids into unchaste life by
keeping them unmarried if they desire to keep
chaste, in order that you may seek the gain
of the present life. But if anyone forces
them, then after their compulsion ALLAH will
be Forgiving and Merciful to them.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-18
Time: 08:30:56
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it must be a really ticklish problem amongst
Muslims arranging marriages for their male
and female slaves and also forcing widows
into marriages.As we all know the last
visible slave maeket in Mecca thats in ALLAHS
holy country saudi arabia. on the block were
12 year old children, when sold the boys were
carried away screaming as they knew they were
off forcastration but the girls being 12 were
more resigned as they would have been at
least 3 years into their sex life wonder what
happened to these poor people they would be
in their 60's ?
i bet that their owners could find favour
with ALLAH by freeing them, after all who
wants to feed a broken down old slave when
you can find such favour with allah |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-18
Time: 12:04:10
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quibber it is because Muslim men never grow
up mentally, they all seem to have the sweaty
minds of a 15 y.o. that and a collective
control freak attitude
but hey its da will o' allah
beat your wife
marry your child to a dirty old man
act as if you were king[censored]
and be very surprised that the rest of the
world disagrees with you................
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-18
Time: 12:14:06
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""keepopenminded
Date: 2008-04-18
Time: 03:19:35 what a nice phrase from you
"blueguru"!!!!,
thanks.., women will be pleased .""
is that not WONDERFUL
keepopenmind thinks that woman will say
"wow oh wow we are so pleased with you"
see woman DONT worry your pretty little heads
about what you think that nice Mr
Keepopenmind will tell you want to
think....after all he does know what pleases
you
and he has ALLAH'S permission to kick the
frak out of you if you disagree
The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:
4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from
your wives, remind them [of the teaching of
God], then ignore them when you go to bed,
then hit them. If they obey you, you have no
right to act against them. God is most high
and great.
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hadiths on woman |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-18
Time: 12:24:39
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He [Muhammad] struck me [Aisha] on the chest
which caused me pain." (Muslim no. 2127)
FROM SAHIH BUKHARI - VOLUME 3, #432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri that
while he was sitting with Allah's messenger
we said, "Oh Allah's messenger, we got female
captives as our booty, and we are interested
in their prices, what is your opinion about
coitus interruptus?" The prophet said, "Do
you really do that? It is better for you not
to do it. No soul that which Allah has
destined to exist, but will surely come into
existence."
FROM SAHIH BUKHARI - VOLUME 9, #506:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri that
during the battle with Bani Al-Mustaliq they
(Muslims) captured some females and intended
to have sexual relations with them without
impregnating them. So they asked the prophet
about coitus interruptus. The prophet said,
"It is better that you should not do it, for
Allah has written whom He is going to create
till the Day of Resurrection".
Qaza'a said, "I heard Abu Said
saying that the prophet said, "No soul is
ordained to be created but Allah will create
it.""
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-18
Time: 16:07:55
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Koran
34. Men are guardians over women because
ALLAH has made some of them excel others, and
because men spend on them of their wealth. So
virtuous women are obedient, and guard the
secrets of their husbands with ALLAH's
protection. And as for those on whose part
you fear disobedience, admonish them and keep
away from them in their beds and chastise
them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way
against them. Surely, ALLAH is High and
Great.
35. And if you fear a breach between them,
then appoint an arbiter from his folk and an
arbiter from her folk. If they (the arbiters)
desire reconciliation, ALLAH will effect it
between them. Surely, ALLAH is All-Knowing,
All-Aware.
36. And worship ALLAH and associate naught
with HIM, and show kindness to parents, and
to kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and
to the neighbour who is a kinsman and the
neighbour who is a stranger, and the
companion by your side, and the wayfarer, and
those whom your right hands possess. Surely,
ALLAH loves not the arrogant and the
boastful;
37. Who are niggardly and also enjoin people
to be niggardly, and hide that which ALLAH
has given them of HIS bounty. And WE have
prepared for the disbelievers an humiliating
punishment;
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-18
Time: 16:10:15
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Koran
1. Successful indeed are the believers,
2. Who are humble in their Prayers,
3. And who shun all that which is vain,
4. And who are prompt and regular in paying
the Zakat,
5. And who guard their chastity -
6. Except from their wives or what their
right hands possess, for then they are not to
be blamed;
7. But those, who seek anything beyond that
are the transgressors -
8. And who are watchful of their trusts and
their covenants,
9. And who are strict in the observance of
their Prayers.
10. These are the heirs,
11. Who will inherit Paradise. They will
abide therein for ever.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-18
Time: 16:42:21
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As there exist many misunderstandings in the
minds of people concerning the slave-girls
taken as prisoners of war.
(1) It is not lawful for a soldier to have
conjugal relations with a prisoner of war as
soon as she falls into his hands. The Islamic
Law requires that all such women should be
handed over to the government, which has the
right to set them free or to exchange them
with the Muslim prisoners in the hands of the
enemy or distribute them among the soldiers.
It is lawful for a soldier to cohabit only
with that woman who has been formally given
to him by the Islamic government.
(2) Even then, he shall have to wait for one
monthly course before he can cohabit with her
in order to ensure whether she is pregnant or
not; otherwise it shall be unlawful to
cohabit with her before delivery.
(3) It does not matter whether the female
prisoner of war belongs to the People of the
Book or not. Whatever her religion, she
becomes lawful for the man to whom she has
been given.
(4) None but the one whom the slave-girl is
given has the right to “touch her”. The
offspring of such a woman from his seed shall
be his lawful children and shall have the
same legal rights as are given by the Divine
Law to children from one’s loins. After the
birth of a child she cannot be sold as a
slave-girl and shall automatically become
free after her master’s death.
(5) If the master marries his slave-girl
with another man, he forfeits his conjugal
rights over her, but retains other rights
such as service from her.
(6) The maximum limit of four has not been
prescribed for slave-girls as in the case of
wives for the simple reason that the number
of female prisoners of war is unpredictable.
The lack of limit does by no means provide a
license for the well-to-do people to buy any
number of slave-girls for licentious
purposes.
(7) The proprietary rights over a slave male
or female as given to a person by the
government are transferable like all other
legal proprietary rights.
(8) The handing over of the proprietary
rights over a slave-girl to a man formally by
the government makes her as much lawful for
him as the giving of a hand of a free woman
to a man by her parents or guardian by means
of nikah (marriage ceremony). Therefore there
is no reason why a man who does not hold
marriage in detestation should hold sexual
intercourse with a slave-girl in
detestation.
(9) When once the government hands over the
female prisoner of war to someone, it has no
right whatever to take her back from him,
just as the parent or guardian has no right
after the woman is handed over to a man
through nikah.
(10) It should also be noted well that if a
military commander temporarily distributes
female prisoners of war among the soldiers
for sexual purposes, or permits them to have
sexual relations for the time being, such an
act shall be unlawful and there is absolutely
no difference between this and fornication,
and fornication is a crime according to the
Islamic code.”
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-18
Time: 18:15:17
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Captives of war’s rights in Islam:
Koran:
70. O Prophet, say to the captives who are in
your hands, `If ALLAH knows any good in your
hearts, HE will give you better than that
which has been taken from you as ransom and
will forgive you. And ALLAH is Most
Forgiving, Merciful.'
1- After what Allah said in Koran you think
that Muslims will treat captives by bad
manners?
2- Muslims used to feed captives from their
good foods, not leave them hungry.
Koran:
8. And they feed, for love of HIM, the poor,
the orphan and the prisoner;
9. Assuring them: `WE feed you to win ALLAH's
pleasure only. We desire no reward nor thanks
from you.
3- Muslims used to clothe captives from their
best clothes, not leave them without
clothes.
4- Muslims never punished captives to tell
them where are enemies or what they plan to.
5- Islam forbids not captives to practice
their religions.
For more please read Prophet's life Mohammad
peace be upon him and you'll find him more
tolerant with captives.
Compare that with what happened in Iraq and
how American and English soldiers treated
prisoners.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-19
Time: 19:18:19
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I SEE YOU ARE SPAMMING
a book "the meaning of the Qu'ran"
by MAWDUDI
IT is so easy to preach kind words
but I think you know that a muslim in war
have never conducted themselves in any decent
manner.
Did you note that the people in Iraq who
maltreated prisioners are now serving time in
prison.?
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-19
Time: 19:28:18
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a nice way to treat the women of men
defeated in war ....FROM SAHIH BUKHARI -
VOLUME 3, #432:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri that
while he was sitting with Allah's messenger
we said, "Oh Allah's messenger, we got
female
captives as our booty, and we are interested
in their prices, what is your opinion about
coitus interruptus?" The prophet said, "Do
you really do that? It is better for you not
to do it. No soul that which Allah has
destined to exist, but will surely come into
existence."
Qaza'a said, "I heard Abu Said saying that
the prophet said, "No soul is ordained to be
created but Allah will create it.""
thats from the Hadiths
as you may know
the qu'ran says: 4:80
"Man yutiAAi alrrasoola faqad ataAAa Allaha
waman tawalla fama arsalnaka AAalayhim
hafeethan "
"Whoso obeys the Messenger obeys ALLAH
indeed; and whoso turns away, then WE have
not sent thee to be a keeper over them. "
so raping female prisioners of war and making
them pregnant is ORDERED by ALLAH
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-20
Time: 06:52:46
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mighty_wizzzzzzzzzz "I SEE YOU ARE SPAMMING
a book "the meaning of the Qu'ran"
by MAWDUDI "
I think i've explained how captives women
treated in islam so it's a waste of time to
repeat what has been said |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-20
Time: 09:00:28
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yes I spammed from my own post.
I was just pointing out the prophet mohammeds
(swat) and therefore ALLAH'S view on the
matter
qu'ran 4:80
SAHIH BUKHARI -
VOLUME 3, #432:
so your point of view is unsupported. when
you have captured women prisoners you are
commanded by ALLAH to rape them and make them
pregnant.
SO STOP BEING A LIMP WRISTED MUSLIM AND do
what ALLAH has commanded.
after all that is how Islam has been spread
through the ages war killing rape slavery
theft
so you can noe see why Islam has nothing to
do with a THE ONE TRUE GOD |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-20
Time: 09:45:01
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Allah never commanded to rape or kill and
plus if you read prophet's mohammed Peace be
upon him you'll find that he free most of
captives woman and men of ware, plus most of
captives woman and men have embraced Islam,
so if really it was what you say how those
people will accept Islam, surely you're just
a bigoted man not who wants not to understand
no, but who understand but just a haughty
jewish :p,
Koran:
33. WE know indeed that what they say grieves
thee; for surely it is not thee that they
charge with falsehood but it is the Signs of
ALLAH that the evil-doers reject.
Koran:
14. And they rejected them wrongfully and
arrogantly, while their souls were convinced
of their truth. See then, how evil was the
end of those who acted corruptly !
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-20
Time: 15:44:40
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HEY keepopenminded
DO NOT blame me. I do not falsify anything. I
mearly point out the writings in Islamic Holy
books (also the history).and bring them
together. Just because I know more about your
faith than you do , you claim I am a bigotted
man, you point out the soft nice bits of the
Qu'ran but you ignore the spiteful warlike
writings.
I do understand the Muslim psyche. they, you
, think people who are not muslims are either
ignorant of the Qu'ran and Hadiths or if they
are knowledgeable they are obstinate
""14. And they rejected them wrongfully and
arrogantly, while their souls were convinced
of their truth""
but as always the Qu.ran has made a mistake,
I'm not ignorant or arrogant or obstinate. I
just dont think a loving GOD would have
anything to do with such an evil wrong book.
I invite you to recant and ask God for
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-20
Time: 20:32:50
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Koran:
5. THEE alone do we worship and THEE alone do
we implore for help.
6. Guide us in the straight path,
7. The path of those on whom THOU hast
bestowed THY favours, those who have not
incurred THY displeasure and those who have
not gone astray.
Koran
6. Those who have disbelieved - it being
alike to them whether thou warn them or warn
them not - they will not believe.
7. ALLAH has set a seal on their hearts and
their ears, and over their eyes is a
covering; and for them is a grievous
chastisement.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-04-20
Time: 21:37:58
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9;29
Fight those from among the people of the
Book, who believe not in ALLAH, nor in the
Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what ALLAH and
HIS Messenger have declared to be unlawful,
nor follow the true religion, until they pay
the tax considering it a favour and
acknowledge their subjection.
so attack christians and jews on any pretext
that mohammed has declared to upset him
until they bribe you to leave them alone
9:34
O ye who believe! surely, many of the priest
and the monks devour the wealth of men by
false means and turn men away from the way of
ALLAH. And those who hoard gold and silver
and spend it not in the way of ALLAH - give
to them the tidings of a painful punishment.
that is to say any money found in the
possession of jews and christians you can get
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-20
Time: 23:05:23
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Koran:
7. HE it is who has sent down to thee the
Book; in it there are verses that are firm
and decisive in meaning - they are the basis
of the Book - and there are others that are
susceptible of different interpretations. But
those in whose hearts is perversity pursue
such thereof as are susceptible of different
interpretations, seeking to cause discord and
seeking wrong interpretations of it. And none
knows it except ALLAH and those who are
firmly grounded in knowledge; they say, `We
believe in it; the whole is from our Lord.' -
And none take heed except those gifted with
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-20
Time: 23:14:07
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Koran:
82. Thou shalt certainly find the Jews and
those who associate partners with ALLAH to be
the most vehement of men in enmity against
the believers. And thou shalt assuredly find
those who say, `We are Christians,' to be the
nearest of them in friendship to the
believers. That is because among them are
savants and monks and because they are not
arrogant.
83. And when they hear what has been revealed
to this Messenger, thou seest their eyes
overflow with tears, because of the truth
which they have recognized. They say, `Our
Lord, we believe, so write us down among the
witnesses;
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Re: Women in Islam. |
micheal59
Date:
2008-04-21
Time: 05:51:36
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In islam we don't have to have a naked woman
sitting on a bar of choclate to sell it. we
don't treat our women like a commodity to buy
and sell. we have to much respect for our
women because they are our mothers and our
daughters and as true muslims we would never
oppress them.our women are commanded by God
to cover themselves up to protect their
modesty, not to oppress them ,but to protect
them. They are more precious to us than any
jewel or any diamond and when you've got a
jewel or a diamondyou cover them up. you keep
them in a safe place because they are
precious but if you've got garbage then, you
don't have to cover them up, you don't have
to keep them in a safe place because they
have no value. I hope you understand my
metaphor. In your own countries women had
to fight for their rights.in Islam thier
rights were given by God They did not have
to fight for it. it is a God given right. If
islam oppresses women then why from the
millions of people embracing Islam in the
western world that's right the western world
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Re: Women in Islam. |
micheal59
Date:
2008-04-21
Time: 06:23:05
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hey mightywurl! i don't know wether to laugh
at you or pity you because of your
ignorance.The same way that you are reading
the Quran and quoting it is exactly the same
way that some young muslims are reading the
quran literally without any tafseer (meaning
of the translation of the Quran) and then
going out saying and doing some crazy things
because they did not understand it properly.
So if your going to quote the quran then at
least read the tafseer and find out what the
verses really mean because i could read the
bible and quote the things out of context and
take it literally and start lying but that
would be disrespectable and i would not
lower myself to that level. peace |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-21
Time: 07:28:14
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Dear micheal, as for mighty_wizz I think that
his problem is not in understanding Koran,
but his problem is that Allah has set a seal
on his heart and made him blind.
Koran:
For, surely, it is not the eyes that are
blind, but blind are the hearts which are in
the breasts.
Koran:
10. In their hearts was a disease, so ALLAH
has increased their disease, and for them is
a grievous punishment because they lied. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-21
Time: 13:49:42
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go on then Micheal
take the bible apart.
The reason I point out what I do is that
there are MANY people in the Muslim world who
not only believe the fundamentalist message
but have guns ( which they use) and whole
countries who back them.If only everybody
just preached their faith and use reason and
logic
in this country the army could be reduced to
the Brigade of Guards for colourful
ceremonies and the Royal Engineers to help
out in natural disasters
with Christians the fundamentalists have no
influence and people in general make sure of
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the REAL allah |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-21
Time: 13:59:17
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keepopenminded WROTE
"" Dear micheal, as for mighty_wizz I think
that
his problem is not in understanding Koran,
but his problem is that Allah has set a seal
on his heart and made him blind.
Koran:
For, surely, it is not the eyes that are
blind, but blind are the hearts which are in
the breasts.
Koran:
10. In their hearts was a disease, so ALLAH
has increased their disease, and for them is
a grievous punishment because they lied. ""
KEEPOPEN
keepopen it is WONDERFUL that you know the
will of ALLAH for other people.LUCKILY my
GOD
THE God of Abrahmam and Isacc and Jesus
does not do nasty tricks on people. you need
only turn to HIM and confess your sins ask
for forgiveness and try to sin no more and
forgiviness is for all.
I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE THAT GOD ALMIGHY WOULD
PAY SUCH A DIRTY TRICK ON PEOPLE AS "10. In
their hearts was a disease, so ALLAH
has increased their disease"
I know nicer pagans |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-21
Time: 14:48:58
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yes this a punishment for people whom well
understood Islam and in their soul they are
convinced that it is the truth but that they
try to mislead people by their lies.
Peace!! |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
micheal59
Date:
2008-04-22
Time: 19:03:32
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Hello mighty. Do Know that the christians
when translating the bible into the arabic
language? They have translated the word god
as Allah. Everywere where is said god ,they
have translated it as Allah ? can you please
comment on this as I see you have a problem
with the word Allah. Do you even know what
the word Allah means ? thanks. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-04-22
Time: 21:11:39
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newcastle in Islam a wife is a mans tilth
(or dirt) or field and he can go into her as
he please. I have a cousin who has fields and
the way he goes into them would be perverted
if it was his wife.
as you well know a woman has less rights than
cattle under ISLAM so kindly stop telling,
lies |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-22
Time: 21:22:13
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hi michael69 the word allah is an ARAMAIC
word that means THE (superlative and absolute
) God.IT IS NOT A PROPER NAME such as
Michael. it has the same value as the french
word Dieu or German Gott.
being an Aramaic word it disproves that the
Qu'ran is in clear Arabic
i was using the name in the islamic sense
which pretends that it is actually GOD's name
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-22
Time: 21:45:11
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mighty_wizzzzz this is a gift for you:
Koran:
139. Say, `Do you dispute with us concerning
ALLAH, while HE is our Lord and your Lord ?
And for us is our works and for you your
works; and to HIM alone are we sincerely
devoted.'
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nice attitude to woman here |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-04-22
Time: 23:48:23
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sahiha bukari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 125:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abbas:
................................Then I saw
the (Hell) Fire, and I have never before,
seen such a horrible sight as that, and I saw
that the majority of its dwellers were
women." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle!
What is the reason for that?" He replied,
"Because of their ungratefulness." It was
said. "Do they disbelieve in Allah (are they
ungrateful to Allah)?" He replied, "They are
not thankful to their husbands and are
ungrateful for the favours done to them. Even
if you do good to one of them all your life,
when she seems some harshness from you, she
will say, "I have never seen any good from
you.' "
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Re: Women in Islam. |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-04-22
Time: 23:52:33
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A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s
testimony.
The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:
And let two men from among you bear witness
to all such documents [contracts of loans
without interest]. But if two men be not
available, there should be one man and two
women to bear witness so that if one of the
women forgets (anything), the other may
remind her.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-04-22
Time: 23:57:53
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DIVORCING A WOMAN IS EASIER THANNAKING A CUP
OF TEA
In his well-known book, The Reliance of the
Traveler, Ahmad ibn Naqeeb Al-Misri, states:
"The words that effect a divorce may be plain
or allusive. Plain words effect the divorce
whether one intends divorce or not, while
allusive words do not effect it unless one
intends divorce.
Using plain words to effect a divorce means
making a clear pronouncement of the word
“divorce” or words derived from it. When the
husband says "I divorce you," or "you are
divorced", the wife is automatically
divorced, whether he has made the intention
or not.
Forms of allusive words that effect a divorce
include:
1- the husband's saying, "You are now alone,"
"You are free," "You are separated," "You are
parted," "You are no longer lawful to me,"
"Rejoin your kin," "You are footloose," and
the like,
2- his saying, "I am divorced from you",
3- when he commissions the wife to pronounce
the divorce, and she says, "You are
divorced",
4- when someone asks, "Do you have a wife?''
and he says "No'',
5- and when the husband writes words that
effect the divorce (no matter whether he is
able or unable to speak at the time of
writing, or whether he is present or absent,
or whether he writes in plain or allusive
words).
this show the tremedous rights islamic women
have
AND IS A MASSIVE SHAME ON ISLAM |
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ANOTHER NICE FATWA |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-04-23
Time: 00:01:06
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A man signed divorce papers but he did not
give it to his wife and later destroyed that
paper. He never said the words of divorce to
his wife, nor filed for legal divorce. Is it
counted a divorce if he signed the paper
although he later destroyed it?
ANSWER
FROM A ISLAMIC LEADER IN AMERICA not one of
those nasty cruel men in Arabia
In his answer to the question in point, Dr.
Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the
Islamic Society of North America, states:
"If he wrote and signed the paper of divorce
with the clear intention that he was
divorcing his wife at that time, then the
divorce has taken place whether he gave that
paper to his wife or not. If he changed his
mind then he should revoke his divorce by
words or by resuming matrimonial relations
with his wife within the `iddah (waiting)
period.
However, if he was only preparing the paper
of divorce and his intention was to divorce
his wife later when he will give her the
paper, then the divorce has not taken place.
The divorce takes place with the intention of
the husband and with the words of divorce. It
is not necessary for the divorce to be
communicated directly to the wife in order to
become effective. It can be done through a
third party. One should not say or write even
in one's private notes that he has divorced
his wife.
These words are serious and one should say
them with the full understanding of the
consequences."
LOTS MORE RIGHTS FOR WOMEN THERE
MY CHICKENS HAVE MORE RIGHTS AND PROTECTION
UNDER THE LAW |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-23
Time: 00:13:43
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elephant, the disbelievers like you whom live
in freedom like they say don't respect their
women at all, they use them for their sexual
goals, they treats them like cattle and toys
i think you do go to bar so you see girls how
are treat by men or rather cattle also.
islam gives right to a man who can't live
with a woman due to several reasons to
divorce her for 3 times, after 3, he cannot
remmarry her again unless if she married an
other man without preplaning and he will
divorce her without preplaning or he will die
then he can remarry her as a punishment to
him to think a lot before divorce his wife,
not like at you who do sex with other women
and the same for his wife she does sex with
other man and no one of those know about the
other and they live in same house.
(dishonesty) |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-04-23
Time: 00:53:15
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you really do not have a clue do you
keepopenmind ? You know nothing of my life.
nothing at all. But I treat any womam I have
ever met better than any Muslim who has ever
lived and obeys the Qu'ran and hadiths. If
you want to see how to treat a woman go and
read the new testament where it is taught
"Husbands, love your wives, JUST AS Christ
loved the church and gave himself up for her
to make her holy, cleansing her by the
washing with water through the word, and to
present her to himself as a radiant church,
without stain or wrinkle or any other
blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same
way, husbands ought to love their wives as
their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves
himself. After all, no one ever hated his own
body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as
Christ does the church - for we are members
of his body. 'For this reason a man will
leave his father and mother and be united to
his wife, and the two will become one flesh.'
This is a profound mystery - but I am talking
about Christ and the church. However, each
one of you also must love his wife AS HE
LOVES HIMSELF, and the wife must respect her
husband." Ephesians 5:25-33
and
Now for the matters you wrote about: It is
good for a man not to marry. But since there
is so much immorality, each man should have
his own wife, and each woman her own husband.
The husband should fulfill his marital duty
to his wife, and likewise the wife to her
husband. The wife's body does not belong to
her alone but also to her husband. IN THE
SAME WAY, the husband's body does not belong
to him alone BUT ALSO TO HIS WIFE. Do not
deprive each other except by MUTUAL consent
and for a time, so that you may devote
yourselves to prayer. Then come together
again so that Satan will not tempt you
because of your lack of self-control." 1
Corinthians 7:1-5
and this is from the qu'ran and talks about
posessions
Fair in the eyes of men is the love of things
THEY COVET: WOMEN and sons; Heaped-up hoards
of gold and silver; horses branded (for blood
and excellence); and cattle and well-tilled
land. Such are the POSSESSIONS of this
world's life; but with Allah is the best of
the goals ." S. 3:14
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Re: Women in Islam. |
micheal59
Date:
2008-04-23
Time: 05:16:19
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martyn,martyn. if you think that islam
oppresses women then why don't you ask them
if they are oppressed. why don't you ask the
your women who are reverting to islam,why are
they enbracing a way of life (islam) that
oppresses women ? are you are afraid to hear
the truth from them? |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
alwan64
Date:
2008-04-23
Time: 06:08:30
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Why do you have a hateful Islam
Are you one of the attack on Islam
We Muslims love all the people
Religion Islam is a religion of love and
peace
I do not blame
You heard false news about Islam
Islam is not terrorism, as they say of
political
I was polite
Talk unobtrusive
I want Ask a question
Which is the best women be veiled
Be naked next to cigarettes or a bottle of
wine blocks
Or used by both men
Mamaadd of men in the political,
administrative centres more than the number
of women in Europe and America and Israel
Why the number of women more than men in
positions of prostitution
Islam dignity and the rights of women |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
alwan64
Date:
2008-04-23
Time: 06:18:37
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Why are the number of men in the political,
administrative centres more than the number
of women in Europe and America and Israel?
Why the number of women more than men in
positions of prostitution ?
Islam dignity and the rights of women |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-04-23
Time: 09:04:43
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micheal
The rise in the number of Muslims is one of
those usual muslim lies and half truths.
There are very few adult conversions to islam
.it is said 15000 in USA a year which is
less than even the Mormons.In islamic
countries the birth rate is the highest in
the world . it is SO irresponsible for women
to have on average 7 children, who do they
expect to feed them ?
will Saudi Arabia cough up money to help feed
then ?
I doubt it
more chance to get money and aid from Israel
but first they have to stop trying to murder
jews
So micheal take your smug ignorance
and GO AND LEARN SOMETHING.
just because you heard it on sky or cnn
it does not mean it is a fact, the reporters
voiced go up at the end od the sentence which
means they are asking a question , |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-04-23
Time: 09:10:28
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alwan64 WROTE
Why are the number of men in the
political,
administrative centres more than the number
of women in Europe and America and Israel?
Why the number of women more than men in
positions of prostitution ?
Islam dignity and the rights of women
WHY PROPHET MOHAMMED SEE MORE WOMEN IN HELL
THAN MEN ?
sahiha bukari Volume 7, Book 62, Number
125:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abbas:
................................Then I saw
the (Hell) Fire, and I have never before,
seen such a horrible sight as that, and I
saw
that the majority of its dwellers were
women." The people asked, "O Allah's
Apostle!
What is the reason for that?" He replied,
"Because of their ungratefulness." It was
said. "Do they disbelieve in Allah (are they
ungrateful to Allah)?" He replied, "They are
not thankful to their husbands and are
ungrateful for the favours done to them.
Even
if you do good to one of them all your life,
when she seems some harshness from you, she
will say, "I have never seen any good from
you.' "
ALWAN64 YOU REALLY
need to ask why muslim men have such ghastly
opinons of women |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-04-23
Time: 09:17:52
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alwan64 WROTE
Why do you have a hateful Islam
Are you one of the attack on Islam
We Muslims love all the people
Religion Islam is a religion of love and
peace
I do not blame
You heard false news about Islam
Islam is not terrorism, as they say of
political .
ALWAN64
WAKE UP AND NOTICE
THAT MOST OF THE WORLDS CONFLICTS IN THE LAST
20 YEARS HAVE BEEN CAUSED BI ISLAMIC PEOPLE
TRYING TO KILL , EITHER EACH OTHER OR NON
MUSLIMS
islam hs been soaked in blood for 1400 years
it is only spread by threats and killing
get every Muslim to put away his gun
and suddenly
all the armies of the world will go back to
barracks
but keep trying to kill everyone
THEN TELL LIES THAT ISLAM IS PEACE
well dear man the world isnt going to fall
for that lie again
STOP THE MUSLIMS LIES AND KILLING and we can
have a wonderful peaceful world |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
micheal59
Date:
2008-04-26
Time: 07:11:04
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elephant.
"micheal
The rise in the number of Muslims is one of
those usual muslim lies and half truths.
There are very few adult conversions to
islam
.it is said 15000 in USA a year" well
elephant i gave you just a couple of my
sources which was cnn and here in the uk
which was sky and bbc news and you gave me
your source which was "it is said" . don't
get emotional now. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
micheal59
Date:
2008-04-26
Time: 07:37:11
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qwibber."Never understood why women have to
cover up.
Maybe because muslim men are insecure".oh
muslim men are very secure. We don't have
worry about our women leaving us for a
another man but can you feel the same. can
you feel that sense of security ? just look
how many times your partners leave you for
someone else. you have the highest rate of
divorce in the world whereas we muslims have
the lowest rate of divorce in the world.So
who's really insecure? |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
micheal59
Date:
2008-04-26
Time: 07:49:04
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anyway muslim women cover themselves up
because they commanded in the Quran by the
Creator to cover themselves up t oguard their
modesty.It is not to oppress them but to
protect them. the muslim women dresses the
same way as mary the mother of jesus used to
dress,the same as women in the west used to
dress in the past. SO YOU SEE IT IS NOT OUR
FAULT iF YOU HAVE LOST YOUR VALUES. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
micheal59
Date:
2008-04-26
Time: 07:56:33
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jollyman don't get mixed up between the asian
culture and Islam.There is a very big
difference and in Islam if a woman wants a
divorce then she can have a divorce nobody
can stop her. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
suze
Date:
2008-04-26
Time: 08:01:37
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i have come to the conclusion that trying to
rationally and objectively debate islam
issues with a muslim is, as a general
observation cos there are exceptions, a
complete and utter waste of time.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
micheal59
Date:
2008-04-26
Time: 08:05:05
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Dark_lashes. yes you are a prodomently
christian race and yet you still have one of
the highest rates of domestic violence
against women. So what's that saying on how
you treat your women? |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
elephant_in_the_room
Date:
2008-04-26
Time: 10:17:59
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MICHEAL
WHERE do you think CNN and the BBC get their
information from ?????????
it dont come from oracles it comes from
people saying and whatever which way you like
crumble it Most of the increase in Muslims
comes from a huge birthrate..which the rest
of the wrold will have to feed |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
alwan64
Date:
2008-04-26
Time: 15:33:34
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Woman in Islam
The role of women in Islam has been
misunderstood in the West because of general
ignorance of the Islamic system and way of
life as a whole, and because of the
distortions of the media.
The Muslim woman is accorded full spiritual
and intellectual equality with man, and is
encouraged to practice her religion and
develop her intellectual faculties throughout
her life. In her relations with men both are
to observe modesty of behavior and dress and
a strict code of morality which discourages
unnecessary mixing of the sexes. Her
relations with her husband should be based on
mutual love and compassion. He is responsible
for the maintenance of the wife and children,
and she is to give him the respect due to the
head of the family. She is responsible for
the care of home and the children's early
training. She may own her own property, run
her own business and inherit in her own
right.
She may not be married without being
consulted and is able to obtain divorce. The
system of limited polygamy can be seen to
have its uses which may be in the interests
of women as well as men. Finally she can look
forward to an old age in which she is
respected and shown every care by her
children and by the society as a whole.
It would appear therefore that the Islamic
system has achieved the right mixture of
freedom and security that women seek and that
is in the interest of the society as a whole.
[As I mentioned at the start of this paper,]
I have given the relevant quotations directly
from the Qur'an and hadith since these are
obviously the most authentic sources. If at
different times and in different places these
principles and laws have sometimes been
distorted, ignored or flouted, it is not the
principles and laws which are at fault, but
man's selfishness which sometimes leads them
to distort, ignore and flout what they do not
like, and turn aside from the truth.
Fortunately no one has changed or can change
the words of the Qur'an, and the regulations
for the protection of women which were
revealed in the 7th century can be easily
verified by anyone in the 20th century, as we
have just been doing. I believe that these
laws and social regulations regarding women
contain certain fundamental truths which will
benefit whoever applies them. The present
time of widespread rethinking of the role and
rights of women is perhaps the appropriate
time to look with fresh eyes at the Islamic
point of view, which has contributed to the
formation of stable societies in both
sophisticated and underdeveloped peoples in
vast areas of the world over the past
fourteen centuries, which has retained the
continuity of its principles, and from which
the Western world may have something to
learn.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
socrates
Date:
2008-04-26
Time: 15:44:11
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So a sura in the Quran doesn't actually
permit a man in certain circumstances to beat
his wife? Or does it? Is a womans testimony
in a court of (sharia) law half that of a
mans or not? I would really like to know. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
micheal59
Date:
2008-04-27
Time: 06:15:20
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Well suzey if a so called muslim man bashes
his wife then he's just a coward but i don't
see why Islam is to blame for the actions of
some muslims. Cristianity is not blamed for
the actions of some so called christians
neither is Judaism blamed for the actions of
some so called Jews.Then why are we so quick
to blame Islam for the actions of some
muslims. If I beat my wife up (she'd probably
beat me up first) then i am guilty not
Islam.Islam does not teach us to oppress our
women but it teaches us to be kind and
merciful towards them. The Prophet Muhammad
(Peace be upon him) also gave these
instructions in his sermon during the
Farewell Pilgrimage. “Fear Allah regarding
women; for you have taken them (in marriage)
with the trust of Allah. (Mishtat)
This warning establishes the sanctity and
inviolability of women's rights. In this
teaching men have been cautioned that
although they are guardians of women, they
should not exercise this responsibility
without concern and fear of accountability to
Allah. They should be mindful that Allah is
a witness between them and their wives and it
is through His commandment and permission
that women have been made lawful for them
through marriage. Women are therefore in
Allah's protection. If the husbands are
cruel they are guilty of breaching their
trust with Allah. How big an honour this is
for women and how stern is the warning for
their guardian husbands, that they should
remember that women are in Allah's
protection. (Ma 'Arif al-Hadith)
The wife is therefore entrusted to the man on
a sacred pledge to which Allah is a party.
Islam teaches that in this union the function
of the woman is not only for the
gratification of physical drives. On the
contrary she is viewed as the most qualified
partner of man in shaping the character of
family and society for the realisation of the
ultimate aims of human existence. You see
suzey there will always be people trying to
twist the true teachings of Islam but it's up
to every individual to find out the truth if
they want to. There is no compulsion in
Islam. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-27
Time: 14:10:56
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MICHEAL YOU DO NOT GET IT
do you ?
THE WHOLE PROBLEM AND DISGUST FELT is that
for a MUSLIM he has been given the so called
ALLAH GIVEN right to bash his wife
A pagan , jew,hindu whatever
do not have this right and fall foul of the
law in a pagan, hindu state etc.
Also a muslim has the so called allah given
right to treat his women as he treats his
field, my cousin who is a farmer and has
fields, spread some animal dung over his
fields and often enters his fields by the
back gate.If he did that to his wife , if he
was in a muslim country ..no prob
but in a civilized country
no wife and a prison streach for [censored]y |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-27
Time: 14:21:17
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alwan64 WROTE
"The role of women in Islam has been
misunderstood in the West because of general
ignorance of the Islamic system and way of
life as a whole, and because of the
distortions of the media. "
no PEOPLE here do not get their infomation
about Islam from the media , they get it by
reading the Qu'ran and hadiths
(several different translations because of
the unrelaiability of muslim tanslators)
WE study before we write
NOW
A MULSIM WRITING ABOUT A NON-MUSLIM FAITH
will almost NEVER have read the books
concerned they read approved books written
by
MUSLIMS , who only understand the faith in
Islamic eyes and AlWAYS gets wrong
and ALWAYS has an silly opinion
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2008-04-27
Time: 14:27:02
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THOUGHT THAT THIS BIT OF SPAM FROM THE
elephant WOULD COME IN USEFUL ""10:28
alwan64 WROTE
Why are the number of men in the
political,
administrative centres more than the number
of women in Europe and America and Israel?
Why the number of women more than men in
positions of prostitution ?
Islam dignity and the rights of women
WHY PROPHET MOHAMMED SEE MORE WOMEN IN HELL
THAN MEN ?
sahiha bukari Volume 7, Book 62, Number
125:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abbas:
................................Then I saw
the (Hell) Fire, and I have never before,
seen such a horrible sight as that, and I
saw
that the majority of its dwellers were
women." The people asked, "O Allah's
Apostle!
What is the reason for that?" He replied,
"Because of their ungratefulness." It was
said. "Do they disbelieve in Allah (are they
ungrateful to Allah)?" He replied, "They are
not thankful to their husbands and are
ungrateful for the favours done to them.
Even
if you do good to one of them all your life,
when she seems some harshness from you, she
will say, "I have never seen any good from
you.' "
ALWAN64 YOU REALLY
need to ask why muslim men have such ghastly
opinons of women "
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Re: Women in Islam. |
keepopenminded
Date:
2008-04-27
Time: 19:02:53
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mightywurlitzer, very nice, you force people
to bush their women, i didn't think that
you're so aggressive toward women, as you
told me before that you wanna sell your
daughters..
i'm so sad for them...
peace..
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Re: Women in Islam. |
socrates
Date:
2008-04-27
Time: 19:24:42
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Notice over and over again, Muslims will not
give a simple yes or no to "is there a sura
in the Quran that permits a man to beat his
wife if he deems it appropriate?" It's not
difficult - We're not asking for mitigating
Quranic verses as an expedient to endorse the
validity of the sura - Just a Yes or No. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
caralouise46
Date:
2008-04-27
Time: 23:05:32
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im told that if a muslim man has a chance to
get a english or american wife he must take
it as it comes with citizenship green cards
etc so to them most english women are bait. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
red9t9
Date:
2008-04-27
Time: 23:44:52
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Regarding Saudi Arabia...Has there not been a
report recently by human rights watch called
perpetual minors!
Google that up for starters. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 06:01:29
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Salam alaikum sister haripicpulpa, I just
read your thread and would like to share my
views too. Sister I thought that all men were
alike too but when I was engaged to this
incredible man who is a muslim and when ever
I say that "because of Girls there is colour
in this life" and he agrees in affirmative
when ever I say Girls are like queens "he
agrees" because Quran calls men as men as the
protectors of women. I found out how wrong
was I, I do agree most muslims don't follow
their religion some of them have the same
concept as the people of other religions had
that "oh God is so forgiving he will forgive
me so let look at gals or so let drink
alcohol, and now that I'm a muslim I'm bound
to go to heaven". But you and I know that
ain't true as you know
heaven is surrounded with difficulties and
hell with desires.
and The Hadith of the Prophet -peace be upon
him- about wisdom as a lost property of the
Believer is an authentic Hadith. It is
mentioned by Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah (Sunan
al-Tirmidhi, Hadith no. 2611 and Sunan Ibn
Majah, Hadith no. 4159). But this Hadith also
means that the Believers should be
open-minded and should learn from all
sources.
I think all the children should for
themselves learn about their religion and
observe for themselves that who is God and
what does he want us to do
as you know when the people asked the Prophet
about God this surah of the Quran was
revealed:
Kul hu walhu ahad( say he is God one and
only)
Allah husamad ( God the eternal)
Lam yalid walamyulad (He begeth nor was
begotten)
wa lam ya kula hu kufuwan ahad (and there is
nothing like Him)
I personally never thought on this surah and
when I did observe on it, it cleared all my
mind that how can anyone even compare
anything to God in this creation when he is
not created and there is nothing like Him in
this world that can be compared to Him.
On the day of Judgement since our eyesight
will be very sharp I hope InshAllah (if God
wills) we will be able to see the Almighty
Lots of love for you sister |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 06:18:40
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salam alaikum I dunno where the concept came
from that Jesus Christ(peace be upon him) and
Muhammad (Peace be upon him) were wife
beaters Prophet Jesus Christ (Peace be upon
him) didn't have a wife and Prophet Muhammad
(Peace be upon him) Never beat any of his
wife if you read the history, in fact he was
the best example of how to treat wives.
To read about his life read the book also
present online "The sealed Nectar" Translated
from arabic to english. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 06:32:38
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salam alaikum (may peace be on you) and as
far as the surah of beating is concerned I
told what the Prophet (Peace be upon him)
said about that no marks,
and I liked the line of Yovonne Ridley in
which she said it indirectly means "No
beating"
because if you beat it would leave marks. And
if it leaves marks the man went across limits
and the woman is now the victim and has the
full right to go against her husband thats my
interpretation as women in Islam are allowed
to get Khula (divorce) and tansik e nikah
(break the marriage. So she has the full
right to say Bye bye I'm leaving you. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 06:36:43
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salam alaikum Sister Cara, The people who
marry just because of green card and then
leave the wife its wrong, they only marry
because of green card I didn't read any
single authentic saying and any verse of the
Quran which says just marry someone for a
while and leave her, neither in the life of
the Prophet (Peace be upon him) I saw that he
was an examplary muslim for all muslim's to
follow. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 07:02:04
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Salam alaikum (May peace be on you) Michael
you are a well informed man I see and I have
heard that Aramic and Arabic are sister
languages and that could be a link besides I
was seeing a clip of a movie made on Jesus
Christ(Peace be upon him) I dont remember its
name and Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him)
used the word Elah or Elahi same as what
means God in arabic. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 07:13:58
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salam alaikum (may peace be on you) Michael
you are absolutely right I have been telling
these people so many times as muslim women we
are very happy. And I love my hijab as I feel
secure no men staring at me in other words I
feel alive not watched by anyone and I have
friends who take hijab and they take it
willingly, my mother neither do my sisters
take hijab yes they do try to cover
themselves with a long veil but don't take
the proper long abaya I do and take it
willingly and love to do so and I would feel
oppressed and suppressed if someone says take
it off.Because I don't like people staring at
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freddo1939
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 11:35:38
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naajia-- if a woman comits an act against the
(teachings) of islam -- lets say for
instance- "adultery"..... Would her
punishment be the same as that for a man--
ie- like the man she committed adultery
with....... or are they treated
differently..?
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GODS PUNISHMENT FOR WOMEN |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 13:15:58
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From the hOLY QU'RAN
4:34 Husbands should take full care of their
wives, with God has given to some more than
others and with what they spend out of their
own money. Righteous wives are devout and
guard what God would have them guard in the
husbands’ absence. If you fear
high-handedness from your wives, remind them
[of the teaching of God], then ignore them
when you go to bed, then hit them. If they
obey you, you have no right to act against
them. God is most high and great.
warts and all...
you can smak yr b1tsh up with Allah's
permission BUT ONLY MUSLIMS |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 13:19:29
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and from a sermon by The Prophet of God
Ibn Ishaq (c. 704-768), a biographer of
Muhammad, who is considered mostly reliable
by modern historians (except for the miracles
and some chronology), summarizes this part of
Muhammad’s sermon, which was delivered during
his last pilgrimage to Mecca and heard by
thousands:
You have rights over your wives and they have
rights over you. You have the right that they
should not defile your bed and that they
should not behave with open unseemliness. If
they do, God allows you to put them in
separate rooms and to beat them but not with
severity. If they refrain from these things,
they have the right to their food and
clothing with kindness. Lay injunctions on
women kindly, for they are prisoners with you
having no control of their own persons.
(Guillaume’s translation, p. 651)
SO women in Islam are prisoners of men
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HOW TO TREAT YOUR WIFE . |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 13:27:39
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The Quran in Sura 2:223 says:
Your women are your fields, so go into your
fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS
Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)
We should make no mistake about this verse.
It includes sexual positions. In a footnote
to this verse, Haleem says that Muslims in
Medina heard from the Jews that "a child born
from a woman approached from behind would
have a squint."
SO THATS NICE.
if you are a farmer and you have fields
think of all the ways you can go into them
NOW think of your women
but be warned :
from Sahih Muslims hadith
Book 008, Number 3363:
Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) declared
that the Jews used to say: When a man has
intercourse with his wife through the vagina
but being on her back. the child will have
squint, so the verse came down:" Your wives
are your tilth; go then unto your tilth as
you may desire" (ii. 223)
SO IF YOU SQUINT you cam blame your parents
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-05-11
Time: 13:32:48
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a few christian ideas
"Now for the matters you wrote about: It is
good for a man not to marry. But since there
is so much immorality, each man should have
his own wife, and each woman her own husband.
The husband should fulfill his marital duty
to his wife, and likewise the wife to her
husband. The wife's body does not belong to
her alone but also to her husband. IN THE
SAME WAY, the husband's body does not belong
to him alone BUT ALSO TO HIS WIFE. Do not
deprive each other except by MUTUAL consent
and for a time, so that you may devote
yourselves to prayer. Then come together
again so that Satan will not tempt you
because of your lack of self-control." 1
Corinthians 7:1-5
"Husbands, love your wives, JUST AS Christ
loved the church and gave himself up for her
to make her holy, cleansing her by the
washing with water through the word, and to
present her to himself as a radiant church,
without stain or wrinkle or any other
blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same
way, husbands ought to love their wives as
their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves
himself. After all, no one ever hated his own
body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as
Christ does the church - for we are members
of his body. 'For this reason a man will
leave his father and mother and be united to
his wife, and the two will become one flesh.'
This is a profound mystery - but I am talking
about Christ and the church. However, each
one of you also must love his wife AS HE
LOVES HIMSELF, and the wife must respect her
husband." Ephesians 5:25-33
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be
harsh with them." Colossians 3:19
"Husbands, in the same way be considerate as
you live with your wives, and treat them with
respect as the weaker partner and as HEIRS
with you of the gracious gift of life, SO
THAT NOTHING WILL HINDER YOUR PRAYERS." 1
Peter 3:7
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-12
Time: 12:01:26
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salam alaikum the punishment is the same but
for adultery and these matters three
witnesses must be present who saw both in
that position or the punishment doesn't
apply. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-12
Time: 13:42:31
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salam alaikum (Peace be on you)
and thankyou Mr. Mighty for quoting the verse
of the Quran that Women are your fields if a
person ponders over it he or she will surely
find that really a sperm is a seed.
scientifically, the fertilization begins when
the sperm unites with the egg.
Wow thanks, surely wives should be a persons
fields rather then mistresses and
prostitutes. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-05-12
Time: 14:03:34
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naajia
you may have noticed that as you travel
fields are quite useful but NOT HUMAN.
I have a cousin who is a farmer and he goes
into his fields any way he wants.
front gate
rear gate
over the fence
through the hedge
in the middle of the night
when it rains
when it is in full harvest
and he sprays it with chemicals
and plants anything he wants
and others he lets cows graze over/
I hope you get the picture.
If he treated his wife that way he would be
unmarried REALLY quickly.
both allah and mohammed seem to think women
are only good for growing things
and have no feelings. lumpen mud
and are a MAN'S field.
his total property
People become fields when thay are dead.
im really glad that I am not ordered by allah
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-12
Time: 14:29:46
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if you read the initial verses they are
talking about mensturation and men should not
have sex with their wives during mensturation
and after that this verse comes so it
definately means its talking dont go to them
then but otherwise whenever its ok
and scientifically you know what happens in
mensturation and how hurting it is for women
thanks God, that God mentioned it what if it
werent there so God knows what have happened.
And the rest of interpretation you're making
from yourself it ain't mentioned anywhere in
the Quran what your trying to say.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-12
Time: 14:37:11
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salam alaikum Jolly you're right everyone
makes mistakes in fact to err is human. And
there's a saying of the Prophet that
"everyone makes mistakes the best among the
people who make mistakes are those who
repent". (Ibn-majah, Timidhi)
God really is very forgiving no denial of
that but you see people don't forgive so
easily some do but some don't. Even if
someone kills someone the punishment is death
to the person who killed but the best is one
who forgives. And I always try to opt the
second one and there are many people who do
opt the second option.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-12
Time: 14:55:45
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2:45 (Asad) And seek aid in steadfast
patience and prayer: and this, indeed, is a
hard thing for all but the humble in spirit,
3:89 (Asad) But excepted shall be they that
afterwards repent and put themselves to
rights: for, behold, God is much-forgiving, a
dispenser of grace.
So we should always be patient and forgiving.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-05-12
Time: 16:05:47
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Naajia... although I`m a male-- I have always
been very vociferous in the cause of womens
lib/equality... The biggest thorn in the side
of womens equality is religion...
.... all religions NOT just Islam.(Islam &
Christianity) are probably by far the worst
two... British women have fought for over 100
yrs to get to todays level... you and your
girls have a long and uphill task to get any
sort of equality.... look get real.
.... in the real world.. fight for your
equality.. chuck this male dominated
religious rubbish out of the window... fight
for yourself and your little girls growing
up... don`t sit down happily with second
class citizenship.. start by throwing those
burkhas away... tell them the games up..
theres got to be a new order. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-12
Time: 17:16:32
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salam alaikum (Peace be on you) Freddo
you think I am not that kind of gal you see I
was strictly a feminist and still am mostly,
by strictly feminist I mean I hated guys I
thought what do they think of themselves gals
can't do anything and such stuff that thought
came because the society that is male
dominant.
Then I studied what my religion has to say
about women and I've cried literally
sometimes how much God loves us not just men
but women too he says in the Quran the
believing men and the believing women the
fasting men and the fasting women the alms
giving men and the alms giving women.........
I dunno where you get the idea I think its
the media but I'm very contented and I love
my religion more the more I have studied it.
It understands the nature of both men and
women.
Thats why I say men are not superior neither
women are they are both different.
And thanks Freddo your a nice man.
Allah hafiz (May God Protect you) |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-05-12
Time: 20:09:03
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naajia
I have studied what your faith has to say
about women ( and many other matters ) and I
am shocked.
It is nothing at all to do with the"media" it
is the words as written in the qu'ran and
hadiths.
there is so much hate in Islam
and so much pretending. I could never be a
Muslim
I could never hate enough or swallow all the
lies taught by so called scholars mullahs and
imans
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-13
Time: 03:36:00
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salam alaikum (Peace be on you) Mighty
First thing I didn't say anywhere I guess to
anyone to change their faith and secondly the
goodness that I have in me is because of my
religion.The forgiveness thing I learned from
the life of the Prophet and the Quran.
No one has to really follow what mullah's say
if its going against the Quran and the
authentic hadith. And I say authentic because
many people have tried to change the sayings
of the Prophet a person has to search for the
authentic sayings and its so hard I know, but
the Quran no one can change as I said God has
told to Protect it and rationally if you see
many people have learned it (the arabic) even
a friend of mine has learned it full and a
little girl of 12 I teach has learned half
and many others have learned it whole by
heart. And people respect the hufaaz (People
who have learned it) and if you read the
history in the time of the Prophet there were
many who had learned it, and I believe a true
muslim (who is also by heart) will not lie
because he knows if he does he'll be
punished. These true muslims love God and at
the same time fear His wrath.
Its like if a mother says to a child you lie
or cheat you'll be punished and the child
loves his mother but at the same time won't
cheat or lie because he fears the punishment
too, but it doesn't mean he starts hating his
mother, if he's nice the mother will even
reward him. But since the mother is so loving
and she may even forgive the child if he
repents and God loves all human beings
whether it be a christian or a jew or a hindu
or a muslim what ever the religion may be God
loves us all. If you see he has given us food
to eat clothes to wear a place to live to
everyone meaning he loves us all.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-13
Time: 03:41:21
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and the laws of God people may find ruthless
but ask the victim. In Islam the law for rape
is capital punishment (death) for the person
who did it, now the person may feel how
barbaric. But ask the gal who was the victim
ask her family. If the same happens with
anyone's sister I assume they will say the
same as "I'm gonna kill the man" or so. But
at the same time the family and the gal has
the option to forgive the man. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-13
Time: 10:44:31
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salaam alaikum (peace be on you)
I didn't say that anyone has and this is a
case too difficult when a person can but they
do have an option.
The Prophet forgave the women Hinda who had
the Prophet's (Peace be upon Him) Uncle
killed, and he loved that uncle she not only
had him killed but opened his chest and bited
Hazrat Hamza's(May Allah be pleased with him)
Liver. He could have her killed too because
by Islamic law he had a choice he chose the
second. I know of no rape cases during the
time of the Prophet, yes their have been
cases of adultery, but since the punishment
of rape was so severe I doubt that anyone did
it. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-13
Time: 10:51:17
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and I would also like to say Muslims are
human's too and they too can make mistake's
if I made a mistake anywhere it was solely my
mistake God cannot make any mistakes.
Even though alcohol is forbidden you may find
some muslims taking it although for lying
there is punishment but some muslim's may lie
intentionally or unintentially because they
are humans. So don't judge Islam by its
followers coz everyone is a human. And to err
is human |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-05-13
Time: 17:04:36
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Naajia-- the little girls growing up-- in the
western world with it`s different sets of
values... you and I know they are to have no
say in who they eventually marry...
... surely it`s their life, they should say
say who they will or will not marry... or if
they so choose-- remain single and not marry.
The Pankhurst sisters, Marion Dunlop, and of
course Emily davidson who lost her life-- for
the cause of feminine equality + numerous
others.. you are now British, surely you must
not let their values slip backwards.. I
implore all you muslim girls -- go out and
demand a new order, for you and your growing
children..
.. take your destinies into your own hands--
-- not have them made out for you... I say
this with all sincerity. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-14
Time: 02:01:29
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salaam alaikum (Peace be on you)
First of all I would like to point out a
mistake of my own I made while writing a
thread I said a true Muslim won't lie I
should have said a good Muslim because we can
never judge a true believer in any religion
because God knows whats in the hearts.
And thanks Freddo I know you are very sincere
but at the present I don't feel the need
since I feel that my parents haven't forced
on me or on my sister's their choice in
marriage or studies even. We have a full
right to choose. As Islam too gives the right
to see and choose the spouse before marriage
its both the man and the woman's right
because they have to spend their life
together not the parents. And yes I agree
with you that some parents try to enforce
their choices in some families but then they
are depriving their child of their rights
which the child has, and that I too will say
is wrong.Parents have the right to be obeyed
because they have raised us up but Islam has
given the right to choose a spouse to the
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Re: Women in Islam. |
naajia
Date:
2009-05-14
Time: 02:59:53
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and Freddo I think you saw my profile, I
lived in U.K and I have good memories of it
but at the present I'm in Pakistan and I
joined the group to tell you that not all
Muslim gals are treated like that and Islam
isn't like that you may think what a lier I
am but seriously I didn't lie about what I
wrote yes my location and name, my real name
is saira I used this name because this was my
name my mum named me with but my grandmother
changed it to saira. And I think I should
leave the group because I really don't live
in Manchester although I have a good memory
of it and like you many people will think the
same. I'm sorry I just had this thought I
shouldn't have used this false name or
location as the Prophet never lied even while
joking. And I couldn't find Pakistan so I
preferred to tick on this location as I have
been here in Manchester.
And as I said every human being makes
mistake, I think I have made one.
ok Allah hafiz (May God protect you) |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
islandlad
Date:
2009-05-14
Time: 03:17:56
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Nonsense Lass, there is no falsehood, no lie,
in using an alias and other location in a
"virtual" world. I live in the UK and my name
is not Islandlad, but that's irrelevant - for
you too. This forum is about ideas, views;
the person behind them is not important.
But blindness is a sin for one who can see. |
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MORE ISLAMIC TRUTHS FOR TRUE
MUSLIMS TO |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-05-14
Time: 06:28:42
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Hi Najiia
I know you will say that the following has
been mistranslated or taken out of context or
means something else that a non-muslim cannot
possible understand,
but I feel it will give you another chande to
ignore the very questionable aspects of
Mohammed (swat) and allah and the qur'an
QUR'AN .In Sura 66:1 ff we read:
"Oh prophet, why do you hold forbidden what
Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest
to please thy wives. And Allah is
all-forgiving, all-compassionate. Allah hss
ordained for you the dissolution of your
oaths. Allah is your protector and he is the
all-knowing and the all-wise. When the
Prophet confided to one of his wives a
certain matter; and then when she told of it,
and turned aside one part; then when he told
her of it, she said, 'Who told thee this?' he
said, 'I was told of it by the All-knowing
and the All-aware. If you two repent to
Allah, yet your hearts certainly inclined,
but if you support one another against him,
Allah is his protector and Gabriel and the
righteous among the believers and after that
the angels and his supporters. It is possible
that, if he divorces you, his Lord will give
him in exchange wives better than you, women
who have surrendered, believing, obedient,
penitent, devout, given to fasting, who have
been married and virgins too."
Al-Baizâwi, (Commentary Vol.II, pp. 340-341),
the Quranic commentator, gives an explanation
of this passage:
"It is related that Mohammed was alone in
company with Mary in Ayshah's or Hafsah's
turn. Hafsah became aware of that and
therefore scolded him about it. He declared
he had taken an oath, but admitted his
unlawful behaviour, therefore these verses
descended." ("Mizanu'l Haqq, page 330). (The
"Mishkat" names Zainab instead of Hafsah -
"Mishkat" II, pages 680-681).
(The complete story is told in the Rauzatu'r
Safâ , Vol. II, page 188).
It is in brief, as follows:
"Mary (the Copt) was a Christian slave given
to Mohammed 7 A.H. (628 A.D.) by the Governor
of Egypt, Elmokaukas. Her sister, Shereena
was also given at the same time. Mohammed
became intimate with Mary and she bore him
Ibrahim, who died in 10 A.H. The intimacy
took place in the home and bed of his wife
Hafsah (daughter of Umar) who was absent at
that moment and on the day which was either
her or Ayshah's turn. When Hafsah found this
out and questioned him he promised (on oath)
not to touch Mary again if she would keep
this a secret, and promised that Umar and
Abu-Bakr should be his successors. Hafsah,
however, told Ayshah about this event, and
for a full month Mohammed had no dealings
with any of his wives, living with Mary
alone." During that period this "revelation"
was given.
NOW HOW AMAZING IS THIS ?
MOHAMMED HAS IT AWAY WITH HIS SLAVE MARY.
OTHER WIVES OBJECT: that oaths had been
broken.
WHAT THEN HAPPENS
IS EVERY ADULTERERS AND PERJURERES DREAM
ALLAH LETS OFF MOHAMMED FROM HIS OATHS
AND THREATENS MOHAMMED'S WIVES AS WELL.
perhaps :
Mohammed, at least in his later years, used
Quranic utterances in favour of his personal
interests. That certain revelations were used
for his personal convenience is obvious.
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MORE HALLAH DOING WHAT MOHAMMED
WANTS |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-05-14
Time: 06:32:39
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"O believers, enter not the house of the
Prophet, except leave is given you for a
meal without watching for its hour. But when
you are invited, then enter. And when you
have had the meal, disperse, neither
lingering for idle talk; that is hurtful to
the Prophet and he is ashamed before you."
(Sura 33:53).
According to the Hadis ("Sahih Muslim" II,
page 723 ff. and "Mishkat" II, page 210) this
"revelation" came when Mohammed had just
married Zainab and he wanted the guests to
leave.
GOOD EH?
you want to get to grips with your new bride
so you get allah to stop visitors |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-05-14
Time: 06:46:31
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nice bit of islamic blasphemy coming up
"It is not fitting a believer, man or woman,
when a matter has been decided by Allah and
his Apostle, to have any option about their
decision. If anyone disobeys Allah and his
Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong
path." (Sura 33:36
I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE IT IS BLASHHEMY
WHEN a prophet assumes a position of
equality with God ("..... has been decided by
Allah and his Apostle...."). This suspicion
is amplified when the very next text covers
up, or even makes acceptable, an action which
we consider unethical, never mind what the
circumstances.
In this case Mohammed married the wife of his
adopted son, Zaid-ibn-Haritha. The story is
reported by Al-Baizâwi thus:
"Mohammed beheld her, (Zainab, Zaid's wife)
after he (Mohammed) had wedded her (Zainab)
to him (Zaid), and she fell into his soul;
therefore he said: 'Praise to Allah who
turneth hearts upsidedown.' Zaid heard it and
there occured to his soul an aversion from
her society (nearness). Therefore he came to
the Prophet and said: 'I desire to put away
my wife!' After having been persuaded to keep
her on, Zaid tried a while, but then divorced
her. After the time prescribed following a
divorce, (a waiting period of 90 days),
another "revelation" came to Mohammed: " 'We
wedded her to thee' (Sura 33:37)... the
meaning is that He (Allah) made her his
(Mohammed's) wife without the interposition
of a marriage contract. And what confirms it
(i.e. this explanation) is that she used to
say to the rest of the Prophet's wives,
'Verily Allah acted the part of a relative in
my being given in marriage, and as for you,
your relatives gave you in marriage.' And it
is said that Zaid was the go-between in her
betrothal, and that was a great trial, and an
evident witness to the strength of his
faith". (Commentary of Al-Baizâwi Volume II,
page 129), (Mizanu'l Haqq, pages 331-332
This "revelation" can be read in Sura
33:37-38:
"When Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with
her with the necessary (formality = 90 days'
waiting), We (= Allah) joined her in marriage
to thee ... And Allah's command must be
fulfilled.
There can be no difficulty to the Prophet in
what Allah has indicated to him as a duty."
today we get feeble explanations
All the modern commentators explain that both
Zaid and Zainab, being incompatible, were
suffering in their marriage; that both were
encouraged by Mohammed to stay together,
until the marriage could last no longer; only
then did Zaid (a freed slave) divorce Zainab
(of a noble family); and Mohammed, feeling
partly responsible for the failure and
wanting to reinstate Zainab, married her.
THERE IS NOT SUPPORT WHATSOEVER IN THE
ISLAMIC TRADITIONS FOR THE ABOVE OPINION
but hey guys and gals anything will do when
it fobs off the islamic faithful.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-05-14
Time: 11:16:50
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In the final analysis this country has it`s
laws and moral codes..... if you are a muslim
living in this country you should live by
these laws and our ways... if this does not
suit you please you have the same rights as
the indigenous Brits, to export yourselves to
somewhere else that does suit your
ways....don`t even try to impose your
medaeival ways on us, they really are not
welcome. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-05-14
Time: 11:21:14
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Also living in some sort of self imposed
enclave , outside of the mainstream of our
society is also unacceptable.... you are
either British and live as a Brit... or you
are NOT..... if you are not go away...
whether you are born here or not--- that also
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Re: Women in Islam. |
polly05
Date:
2009-07-06
Time: 14:58:58
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Has anybody read the book 'Not Without My
Daughter' I cannot remember the author. It
will tell you all you need to know about
Muslim life. And it is not good. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
muslimah93aishaaa
Date:
2009-07-13
Time: 19:29:30
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u obviously dnt know much bout the real
islam. the fings dat u mention is all got to
do wiv tradition. i cannot imagine the
prophet to have even laid finger on his
wives. actually it was islam that equality 4
women in islam. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-07-14
Time: 14:59:55
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muslimah93aishaaa you need to study your own
faith rather more.
from the Qu'ran 4:34
this will show that it is the Will of
"god"]to beat women
Shakir (translaotor) "Men are the maintainers
of women because Allah has made some of them
to excel others and because they spend out of
their property; the good women are therefore
obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has
guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you
fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them
alone in the sleeping-places and BEAT them;
then if they obey you, do not seek a way
against them; surely Allah is High, Great. "
YEAH GREAT.
SEEMS CLEAR TO ME.
but it is also wrong..BECAUSE
was not Mohammed AS A YOUNG MAN employed by
a WOMAN (KHADIJA) as a trader and did
KHADIJA'S bidding and went to Syria under a
womans order to trade and was proposed
marriage by KHADIJA'S ????
this was of course before Islam was
introduced to Arabia when WOMEN had a bit of
freedom .
cant see a woman in a Arabia getting away
with that any time since Mohammed became a
prophet.
ALSO Mohmmed hit A'lsha for no good reason
what a charmer :
Book 004, Number 2127:
Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 4:
The Book of Prayers (Kitab Al-Salat
Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should
I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy
Prophet) on my authority and on the authority
of my mother? We thought that he meant the
mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad
b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha
who had narrated this: Should I not narrate
to you about myself and about the Messenger
of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said:
Yes. She said: When it was my turn for
Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to
spend the night with me, he turned his side,
put on his mantle and took off his shoes and
placed them near his feet, and spread the
corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay
down till he thought that I had gone to
sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and
put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door
and went out and then closed it lightly. I
covered my head, put on my veil and tightened
my waist wrapper, and then went out following
his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood
there and he stood for a long time. He then
lifted his hands three times, and then
returned and I also returned. He hastened his
steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran
and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I
also came (to the house). I, however,
preceded him and I entered (the house), and
as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy
Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why
is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath?
I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or
the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I
said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and
mother be ransom for you, and then I told him
(the whole story). He said: Was it the
darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front
of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest
which caused me pain, and then said: Did you
think that Allah and His Apostle would deal
unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the
people conceal, Allah will know it. He said:
Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called
me and he concealed it from you. I responded
to his call, but I too concealed it from you
(for he did not come to you), as you were not
fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to
sleep, and I did not like to awaken you,
fearing that you may be frightened. He
(Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you
to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those
lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them.
I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray
for them (How should I beg forgiveness for
them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the
inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from
among the Believers and the Muslims, and may
Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead
of us, and those who come later on, and we
shall, God willing, join you.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
tarquinfsmytheqjm
Date:
2009-07-15
Time: 12:05:11
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allah said a lot in his time. Some of that
attributed to him may have been misreported,
likewise for any religious figure from
thousands of years ago. Thats why you should
take it all with a pinch of salt.
In complete contrast to the 'old' religions,
there are some new ones. Now we shouldnt
neglect a religion just cos its not stood the
test of time. One such popular and growing
religion or faith system is that of the
church of the flying spaghetti monster (i kid
ye not). The Spag Monster is your typical
omnipudent being , all knowing all seeing etc
etc...very wise and all that. He is also
equally obvious around you as you go about
your business. So,why not give it a try and
see how you get on, I mean, what have you got
to lose? I thought one of the best aspects of
this "faith" is the promises (that may or may
not be full filled...just like any mainstream
faith) of an after life. Heaven for the
FSMist can consist of beer volcanoes! I mean
it doesnt get much better than that. We also
celebrate "Talk like a pirate day"...everyone
likes pirates. Not those somali ones, but the
Jack Sparrow type...oooh aaargh! |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
hkm
Date:
2009-07-18
Time: 15:44:13
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woman is consedered as (as she conseder
herself) an object in all societies not only
muslim ones!!!!
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Re: Women in Islam. |
toq1
Date:
2009-07-24
Time: 15:04:38
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to harpicpulpa
I am a muslim man, I belive that women
deserve respect, men should not lust over
women, stare at them, talk about them as if
they were mere cattle.
How do you know what it is being a man when
you are a women and vice versa. Men are
biologically created different, they get
attracted through visual stimulas while women
are emotional.
can you see the soul of men, do you know
there intensions, do you how hard it is to
look away.
In good deeds intensions count, if a man
looked at a women more than once it is a sin.
If he looked at her but had no evil
intensions it is not a sin.
ALLAH is most- merciful and most-forgiving. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
suze
Date:
2009-07-24
Time: 21:41:55
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all you islamic guys that tell us how much
women are respected in islam and how they
like being second class citizens (but u dont
actually blatantly call them 2nd class) i can
tell u id rather live in a prison that be na
islamic wife in a 3rd worls marriage |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
abey27
Date:
2009-07-26
Time: 20:38:38
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women in Islam are given more respect then
man, what could be more then that paradise
lies in feet of mother, and mother is a women
as well, we respect them as mothers, sisters,
wife, daughters. Before islam they were not
given respect or regard, daughters were
considered as sign of unfortunate and they
were burried alive, Its islam who make
mankind understand that women should be
respected and regard, and its islam who has
given right to women that she has right on
her father's property, wealth. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
socrates
Date:
2009-07-26
Time: 21:04:24
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Wrong - women are given equal rights in
Western Democracies. In Sharia Law their
testimony is only half that of a man. Scroll
back on this thread to see the evidence of
mysoginy. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
decent_cute_asian_guy_uk
Date:
2009-08-25
Time: 19:21:44
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firstly it is obvious that most people in
here don't know a thing about Islam and the
position of women in Islam. Secondly why is
it that More women are converting to Islam
than ANY other religion and faith in this
world. ESPECIALLY in THE UK AND USA. Please
read up about Islam properly for yourselves
because knowledge brings clarity and you can
never know what Islam is about by what you
hear about it and what others tell you of it!
Look it up for yourselves and i promise you
you will think differently! |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
suze
Date:
2009-08-26
Time: 06:36:03
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well said dolly 
who gives a monkeys?
but the way islamic are treated as second
class citizens, id never go anywhere near an
islamic country
but for hereditary reasons i live in n
"almost" islamic country |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
elizabethacara
Date:
2009-08-26
Time: 10:57:14
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Iask you Allah,Great one of all knowledge,
that I may remove my veil, which leaves signs
of my submissions hidden, that hides the
contusions and bruises locked away, that
limits my screams to a whisper when he
assaults me, that dries the blood on my lips
after he has gone. My knowledge of you is
only through men, and as such, so the veil
hides my torture |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
suze
Date:
2009-08-26
Time: 11:00:00
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well documented elizabeth
if u are a real islamic woman, it does not
surprise me that u are treated like a second
class citizen
get out of the relationship. wife beaters
never change |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
paddywack54
Date:
2009-08-26
Time: 13:12:56
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hay as in the horses mouth,,,, wott about the
bombs,,,,, and don't women beat men oldso
and as for all this crap,,,we still die ,,,
no want lives forever ,,, the book of
atheism
all religion is in er mind,,,,.. your
heaven+hell is on earth while u are alive,,,
so make the best off it,,,,, |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
ozlemm
Date:
2009-08-27
Time: 23:13:23
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the women in muslim societies are just like
closed box..they are precious but the same
time they are second person..they must be
good mother,good wife,good believer,good
cooker..in my opinion they hang up their
feelings..they devote their lifes for another
lifes or their husbands..this is my
impression
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Re: Women in Islam. |
jollyclause
Date:
2009-08-28
Time: 07:09:37
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I know exactly how women are treat in islam
and no matter how anyone covers it up its
staring everyone in the face.
I dont blame the religion i blame the men who
use text in the quran as excuse to be
controlling..
Let me understand you samera...You wanted to
get another woman for your fella? am guessing
hes muslim? so there for you feel inclined to
be 2nd rate to how he acts towards you..
And yes like certain muslim men they tell
women this is islam therefore this is how the
woman should act in the mean time the man
acts how ever he choses as hes a muslim and
is allowed to.. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
jollyclause
Date:
2009-08-28
Time: 07:13:03
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I dont care what the bible says.. in the
western world its now secular where women are
treat as equal..
If you were in a muslim country now you'd not
be allowed to even switch a computer on
infact you'd not even be allowed to leave the
house you are the woman and do what women
should do..
women and men are equal in life and thats
universal and should be like this everywhere
in the world..
and yes women in islam are not as equal..that
is the truth the man tells the woman how she
should be then uses the quran as litteral
word so the woman keeps quiet..
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SORRY FOLKS |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-08-29
Time: 13:43:22
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Just thought I would republish this
information from Islam
from the Qu'ran 4:34
this will show that it is the Will of
"god"]to beat women
Shakir (translaotor) "Men are the
maintainers
of women because Allah has made some of them
to excel others and because they spend out
of
their property; the good women are therefore
obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has
guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you
fear desertion, admonish them, and leave
them
alone in the sleeping-places and BEAT them;
then if they obey you, do not seek a way
against them; surely Allah is High, Great. "
YEAH GREAT. BEAT THEM
SEEMS CLEAR TO ME.
but it is also wrong..BECAUSE
was not Mohammed AS A YOUNG MAN employed by
a WOMAN (KHADIJA) as a trader and did
KHADIJA'S bidding and went to Syria under a
womans order to trade and was proposed
marriage by KHADIJA'S ????
this was of course before Islam was
introduced to Arabia when WOMEN had a bit of
freedom .
cant see a woman in a Arabia getting away
with that any time since Mohammed became a
prophet.
ALSO Mohmmed hit A'lsha for no good reason
what a charmer :
Book 004, Number 2127:
Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 4:
The Book of Prayers (Kitab Al-Salat
Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people):
Should
I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy
Prophet) on my authority and on the
authority
of my mother? We thought that he meant the
mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad
b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha
who had narrated this: Should I not narrate
to you about myself and about the Messenger
of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said:
Yes. She said: When it was my turn for
Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to
spend the night with me, he turned his side,
put on his mantle and took off his shoes and
placed them near his feet, and spread the
corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay
down till he thought that I had gone to
sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and
put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door
and went out and then closed it lightly. I
covered my head, put on my veil and
tightened
my waist wrapper, and then went out
following
his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood
there and he stood for a long time. He then
lifted his hands three times, and then
returned and I also returned. He hastened
his
steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran
and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I
also came (to the house). I, however,
preceded him and I entered (the house), and
as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy
Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why
is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of
breath?
I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me
or
the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I
said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and
mother be ransom for you, and then I told
him
(the whole story). He said: Was it the
darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in
front
of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the
chest
which caused me pain, and then said: Did you
think that Allah and His Apostle would deal
unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the
people conceal, Allah will know it. He said:
Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He
called
me and he concealed it from you. I responded
to his call, but I too concealed it from you
(for he did not come to you), as you were
not
fully dressed. I thought that you had gone
to
sleep, and I did not like to awaken you,
fearing that you may be frightened. He
(Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you
to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those
lying in the graves) and beg pardon for
them.
I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I
pray
for them (How should I beg forgiveness for
them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the
inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from
among the Believers and the Muslims, and may
Allah have mercy on those who have gone
ahead
of us, and those who come later on, and we
shall, God willing, join you.
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Re: Women in Islam. |
jk101
Date:
2009-10-18
Time: 23:26:09
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Assalam Aliakum, What every body needs to
understand is that Islam does not oppress
women. In Islam men have there place and
woman have there place. None is better or
greater than the other.
It is the people in these communities that
mis-understand the message and go to
extremes. It is important to understand that
it is the Mother / wife that teaches their
children the moral rights and wronges of
society and great respect should be given for
this attribute.
No one community can deny that wronges do not
happen, but to blame the religion is totally
wrong. Yes there are religions out there that
burn women when the husband dies but Islam is
not one of thoughs religions. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
jk101
Date:
2009-10-19
Time: 00:21:23
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I think you mis understood funkypants. I was
trying to explain that each gender has a role
in society. It is my fault that I used the
wrong words.
Now would you agree with me when I say that a
person should have the freedom to do what
they want. If so then why try and force
western value on all Muslim Woman. Why does
the west think that they do not want this. I
will not deny that there are some woman
forced to do this but this happens in any
community. I have grown up in the West and
believe the western values are good, but I do
not appreciate when people tell me what I
should do and how I should do it (would you
like that). I know and you know that woman in
the west are exploited (and that is ok).
Woman England do not choose to become
prostitutes or work in the sex trade but that
is ok.
I always say before analysing another culture
analyse your own and you will see that the
other culture is not so bad. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
jk101
Date:
2009-10-19
Time: 00:34:22
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I do understand your values, more then you
actually think. I have been there done it and
seen it. But what I strongly believe is that
people should be allowed to do what they want
without having to answer to others why they
do this. You may like to, on a Friday night
go out get drunck, loose your wallet and walk
home. But there maybe someone who objects to
this. So they try to stop you from doing
this, would you like this?
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Re: Women in Islam. |
jk101
Date:
2009-10-19
Time: 00:40:27
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What people have to understand is that
Muslims and Muslim woman will sort out there
own affairs without people in the west
interferring. If Muslims do this then this
will be a lasting thing, whereas if the west
do this it may or may not last. That is why I
believe that Muslims should adapt some of the
good English values into there lifes.
Our woman are not stupid or timid, they are
well capable of looking after there values in
the west. But thankyou for your concern |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
juxtoppose
Date:
2009-10-19
Time: 00:47:24
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I have a couple of muslim friends, they put
wester'n women to shame, they have an
opinion, they don't care what I or you think,
and have more sense than to let people know
that. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
americanbuddy
Date:
2009-11-30
Time: 03:32:25
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THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES FOR THE
CHRISTIAN WEST. WE ALL WATCHED HOW THE WOMEN
WERE TREATED IN AFGHANISTAN BEFORE 9/11 THE
TALIBAN AND WITH SHOWS LIKE "NOT WITHOUT MY
DAUGHTER". MUSLIM FOLKS CAN SAY WHAT THEY
WANT TO ABOUT ISLAM BUT THE FACT IS SOME OF
US ACUTALLY CARE ABOUT HOW THE WOMEN ARE
TREATED. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASON THE WEST
HAS TROUBLE TRUSTING. WITH THE HEAD SCARFS
AND THE BURKAS, TELL ME THE TRUTH, YOU DONT
THINK FOLKS ARE LOOKING AND THINKING, I
WONDER HOW THIS LADY IS TREATED? BEST THING
TO DO IS FOR THE MAN TO PIPE DOWN AND LET THE
WOMAN TALK. AND REALISE FOLKS ARE GONNA BE
LEARY IF A MAN IS LOOKING OVER HER SHOULDER
GIVING HER THE LOOK. THIS IS A VERY BIG
ISSUE. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
xblack_heartx
Status: Moderator
Date:
2009-11-30
Time: 04:30:44
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It has been my experience that the answer
does not come from the religion but from the
culture of a person, the personal way both
are translated into ones life, and
individuals involved in the relationship.
Answering this question as a general answer
is like saying all men and all women are
exactly the same. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-11-30
Time: 11:19:05
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LK101... Iwould agree with your statement...
let muslim s sort out their own
problems...BUT... that is if they live in a
muslim land and according to muslim laws.
However, the muslims that live in the west do
so by choice.. but should live according to
the laws and customs of their adopted
country.
I care more about the muslims that live in
the UK rather than anywhere else.....
... there will be "rivers of blood running
down our streets before we accept "Sharia
Law".. in our land... our women folk have
fought hard (and died in the case of Emily
Davison) to get their freedom--- we won`t see
that go backwards for a handful of muslim
foreigners... |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
suze
Date:
2009-11-30
Time: 15:40:22
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as i have said several times before, islam is
a third world religion for third world
mentalities.
my observations show that islamic women are
often treated as second class citizens.
theres nothing i can do to change that, but i
do like making my views known
i suspect that it will make no difference to
women abusuers, but i have decided that i
will never go to an islamic country, as it is
the only way i can show a positive attitude
to womens second class status
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Re: Women in Islam. |
boldheart
Date:
2009-11-30
Time: 16:02:53
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AS I SAID BEFORE MAYBE YOUR COMPLETE
IGNORANCE OF ISLAMIC WOMEN LET YOU THINK LIKE
THAT,PERHAPS IF YOU INTERACT ISLAMIC WOMEN
CERTAINLY YOU WILL ERADICATE THIS STEREOTYPE
FROM YOUR MIND. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
suze
Date:
2009-11-30
Time: 16:25:29
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boldy, i realise i am not educated to your
standards, but it seems that you are the one
thats stereotypimg. i looked at your profile
and u are obviously too ashamed to write
anything about yourself, so to dispel my
concerns can u answer these questions?
do your mum, sisters and wife go to work?
do your mum, sisters and wife wear hijabs or
bhurkhas or other restrictive clothing?
do your mum, sisters and wife have a free
vote?
were your mum, sisters and wife educated
beyond basic elementary primary and secondary
school?
where were your mum, sisters and wife born?
where do your mum, sisters and wife live
now?
i look forward to your answers |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
jollyOLsoul
Date:
2009-11-30
Time: 17:45:38
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they are given the freedom to the standards
of the religion itselfs..men pressurise each
other like rats in a sewer so the women get
it to from the men.
In islam theres one way and no other way.
If you dont do as the book says you will not
enter so called paradise.. paradise being an
hole in the ground..
take the suicide bomber.. he will kill
men/women and even babies ina market place.
for the reason of his own personal enterance
into paradise..wheres all he is doing is
ending peoples lives aswell as his own..
And im sick of ppl saying its not like this
you dont understand religion..I do understand
islam and parts of it is barbaric and its all
written down in the quran. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
jollyOLsoul
Date:
2009-11-30
Time: 17:47:53
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The old testament was also barbaric.. but
christians have moved on and ignored that...
well most of except the american pastors who
say you will burn in hell and the weirdos in
africa who tourture children cause they are
so called witches..
Grow up and treat everyone right not just
women.. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
socrates
Date:
2009-11-30
Time: 18:06:22
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Boldly - I think you put your finger on it
ie. "women are GIVEN freedoms..." BY A
MISOGYNIST RELIGION (Men), that relegates a
womans testimony/inheretance to HALF that of
a man. How can Suze 'interact' with a muslim
woman, when it is VERBOTEN in Islam?
Sometimes we are not even allowed to see
their faces - it would be like 'interacting'
with a bandit. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-12-01
Time: 15:40:26
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Boldly, I spent a lot of time in Small Heath
, Birmingham.
All the muslim women I see are walking Two
paces behind the man and boys... along with
the young girls..
I have never seen a man with a bag over his
head, with slits for the eyes---- WHY SHOULD
THEIR LADIES HAVE TO. Burkahs are a sign of
muslim womens subordination.
Look don`t mess about arguing with me or
anyone else for that matter---- just tell the
males in your family--- you and the girls are
not going to wear the burkahs any more.....
if he`s scared some other fellahs going to
run off with you, it doesn`t say much for his
trust in you..... and ... it will only be a
matter of time before muslim girls who are
being born here won`t put up with it... or
any part of 2nd class citizenship. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-12-01
Time: 18:00:22
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BOLDHEART
why is it that the ONLY defence that ALL
muslims ever make against ANY criticsm of
Islam is to lie that the criticiser is
ignorant ??
Are you ordered to by Immans ?
or is it an order in the Qu'ran that we
missed?
why do Muslis lie so much ?
Satan laughs when a muslim prays
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Re: Women in Islam. |
_april_
Date:
2009-12-05
Time: 18:00:41
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ohh no it is false of course. i think some
people confuse on muslim and some country. i
dont want to give a name of countries but for
example i am turkish and i am muslim too also
most turkish are muslim but Turkey doesnt
like that |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
niagarafalls
Date:
2009-12-05
Time: 19:43:12
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If yer on ter way to a place and you thik you
must reach it,and you reach a point ine yer
journey where the path becomes a dead end and
yer finnal destination is at the oppisite end
of the dead end but there is no possible way
to continue on yer present course ,do yer
except the dead end as being fate,or do yer
make a u turn and chart a new path? I mean
you can beat the dead ends to no end if you
want to,or you can move on.
It's about one choice, one philosophy,one
pot.
Ther's hope fer yers! |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
freddo1939
Date:
2009-12-05
Time: 20:09:24
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Yes we can and should feel a good deal of
sorrow for the muslim women and their
disgraceful second rate citizenship...But ..
before we get too smug we must remember what
our girls had to go thro` to get
imancipation, one Emily Davison died for it.
Even then the ladies under 30 yrs old did not
get the vote until 60 yrs ago.
It was the WW2 and they roles the ladies
played in that that finally gave them
equality..(of sorts).
To all you muslim girls out there , go out
and tell the muslim powers that be--- you
want British style equality like your British
sisters.... no walking behind them in the
street any more... tell them to wear a
burkah....you want women mullahs.. |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
whiskyagogo
Date:
2009-12-05
Time: 21:02:56
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I've just spent ages typing 'well documented
facts' of 'normal' sadistic abuses to women
in some Islamic countries....
And it hasn't posted !!! I'll try come back
later & re-type it.
I really wanted my voice to be heard on this
thread....
Because I know stuff which would horrify any
cynic & e.g. Rushda - who's only young &
lives in London! (The girl who was the 1st to
post on this thread) |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
taxpayer
Date:
2009-12-22
Time: 09:09:03
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reading some of these comments i c there r
many experts who obviously has never mixed
with muslims or been to their homes.as in
most cultures and religions its the women
that rule the home and be it on ur head
whatever ur persuasion if u try to chose the
furniture or decor in the home.most muslims r
like christians they only go to the mosque
for funerals or on special days like ead or
christmaS |
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MICE BIT OF HONOUR KILLING |
mightywurlitzer
Date:
2009-12-22
Time: 10:12:45
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Taxpayer the difference is that Christians
dont have a God given right to smack their
b1tches up
Treat then like a field and "go into them as
they please"
get a divorce by utterinq " I divorce you"
or have to get 4 witnesses to prove sex has
taken place for a man to be accused of
adultery.
Whilst a muslim woman in Uk is a whole
shedload luckier than in a muslim country
no amout of lies spoken by muslim men
will hide the massive burden that is heaped
on the female population by
the anti woman rules laid down by allah
and his prophet . Perhaps you ought to study
a little bit more ... |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
blaster_bunny
Date:
2009-12-22
Time: 17:54:56
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lol God the ignorance in british society now
a days stunns me
AS A MUSLIM WOMAN.....if being oppressed
means, go where i want when i want, being
driven their by a family member to make sure
im safe, not paying for rent or bills, having
a degree education, being able to make
decisions of the family, not being subjected
to idiotic things like chat magazeens and
have people judge me for my appearence.
then hell yeah im oppressed and proud 
(for the sun newspaper readers, by the way i
was being sarkie) lol |
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Re: Women in Islam. |
aspicere
Date:
2009-12-22
Time: 21:26:30
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blasterbunny one n in stun dear,
If you think people are ignorant why not
point out where they have gone wrong
but learn to spell first
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Re: Women in Islam. |
aspicere
Date:
2009-12-22
Time: 21:33:56
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on reflection your whole tirade is as if you
are about 15 years old.. enjoy being the
eternal teenager
your whole life you will be controlled by an
ignorant man ..what fun.
it was called slavery once |
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