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Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-10
Time: 20:11:36
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What an amazing race that was! Who said F1
was boring?
Well done to Lewis Hamilton for a superb
drive and with cars falling off all over the
place it made it quite a spectacle for
everyone. To watch Takuma Sato go past Alonso
was fantastic. Good on him! 
Commiserations to Kubica though. Let's hope
we'll see him back soon but he's lucky to
only have a broken leg. That crash looked
worse than Ayrton Senna's! |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-10
Time: 20:39:41
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It looked good at first but I cringed when
they replayed it. I thought he'd be a lot
worse than that. It just goes to show how the
development of motorsport saves lives. If he
can suffer a crash at 190mph like that with
merely a broken leg the cars of the near
future are going to be built like tanks!
I actually didn't think he'd even be
conscious to be honest. Sure the car can
suffer an impact like that and even not smash
him about too much either but what about
internal organs? Truely amazing! That boy has
defied death itself and hardly anything will
be mentioned of it in a few weeks. I still
say it was a worse crash than Senna's and
it's a tribute to technology over the last 13
years that it had such little consequence. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-10
Time: 20:59:00
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That's true about it being the fatal blow but
Senna still had horrific injuries that would
have kept him from racing for a long time
anyway even if the suspension strut had
missed his head.
Without the HANS device I'm sure Kubica's
neck would have snapped, just like many a
driver in the past including Dale Earnhardt
who actually refused to wear the very thing
that would have saved his life, calling it a
'noose'. That's something else which Senna
didn't have that would have minimised the
damage to his neck, which also could have
been fatal as well as the blow to the head. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-10
Time: 21:11:51
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LOL
Aww bless you Lucy!
That weekend was certainly a bad time for the
sport but isn't it funny how everyone
mentions Senna but there is never a mention
of Roland Ratzenburger who died the day
before in the qualifying? OK so he was hardly
known but it's still just as tragic. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-11
Time: 00:44:08
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How do they fit all that into an hour long
highlights show? The crash seemed like no big
deal. It took almost 20 minutes to clear! I'm
still wondering what caused those 2 to spin
at turn 1 without touching? I just saw Sato
pass Alonso again. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-11
Time: 01:27:15
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You missed an excellent race Davii. It took
so long to clear that crash I thought he was
a goner when I first saw the replay. He went
into that wall absolutely head on and at full
chat. The poor [censored] never even got the
chance to brake because he was already
airborne. He must have hit that wall at at
least 175mph. The more I see it the worse it
gets. Thank God he's ok. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-11
Time: 02:49:14
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No farting in the love nest? You're right -
it's better to burp and taste it than to fart
and waste it!
Now what the hell has this got to do with the
Grand Prix? A man nearly died today FFS! |
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Re: Canadian GP |
chris20
Status: Admin
Date:
2007-06-11
Time: 14:40:17
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Never watched the Canadian GP.
Saw Kubica's crash on Youtube though and it
looked pretty horrific. A lot worse than some
of the crashes that have led to fatalities.
Amazing that he wasn't seriously injured.
Just concussion and a sprained right ankle
after that huge crash, very lucky guy.
I guess the fact that Kubica and Richard
Hammond crashed at 180mph and 288mph
respectively and they both survived shows how
far racing cars have come in terms of driver
safety.
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Re: Canadian GP |
aegis1
Date:
2007-06-11
Time: 14:48:44
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i'm with pooleboy on this one...
respect to hamilton...proves the podium
finishes so far are not a fluke...
he seems to have the mould of michael
schumaker...we might yet have a genuine world
champion...
ps. chris, i've only just noticed...you and
lilypetal have the same pic...
coincidence...or something more?... |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-12
Time: 02:28:09
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Chris, I too cannot believe he even survived
that impact, let alone escaping with such
minor injuries. It was very similar to Roland
Ratzenberger's in terms of both speed and
angle. Where Ratzenberger snapped his neck in
the impact, I have no doubt in my mind that
the HANS device saved Kubica's life from an
identical injury.
I was actually looking through Wikipedia and
YouTube at some other fatal F1 crashes and
came across the death of the last British
casualty, Tom Pryce. The incident is just
unbelievable and disturbingly tragic.
It was the 1977 South African GP and on lap
21 Pryce's team mate, Renzo Zorzi, pulled off
to the left of the main straight after losing
fuel pressure. It turns out that fuel was
leaking from the lines onto the engine, which
then ignited.
Luckily, Zorzi got out of the car after an
initial stuggle disconnecting his oxygen
line. 2 marshalls crossed the track from the
other side to tend to the fire. This is not
accurate as only one of them made it across.
Coming into the main straight were the 4 cars
of Hans-Joachim Stuck, Pryce, Jacques Laffite
and Gunnar Nilsson. Stuck reacted to seeing
the marshalls, missing them by literally a
few inches, but Pryce who was following close
in Stuck's slipstream couldn't see anything
but the back of Stuck's car and therfore had
no warning. By the time Stuck had darted out
of the way, the second of the two marshalls -
a 19 year old student by the name of Jansen
Van Vuuren - was right in front of Pryce's
car and there was nothing he could do about
it.
Pryce struck Van Vuuren at a speed of
approximately 170mph, killing him instantly.
His body was tossed into the air and landed
just yards from Zorzi and the first marshall.
To watch the impact on video is quite
disturbing. The injuries he suffered were
apparently so severe and his body so
disfigured that he could only be identified
by exclusion when the race director summoned
all the marshalls together after the race and
Van Vuuren could not be found.
As for Pryce, the 40lb fire extinguisher that
Van Vuuren was carrying hit him in the face.
The impact wrenched his helmet upwards and
Pryce was partially decapitated by his own
chinstrap, killing him instantly too.
This had further repercussions. There was now
a race car travelling down the main straight
in traffic at racing speed with a dead driver
on board. He glanced off of a barrier on the
right hand side of the track and came back
across the path of Laffite, putting him out
of the race also. Pryce then came to a stop
in the wall at turn 1.
How horrifying is that? The most tragic thing
was that the life of the marshall was lost
for such a stupid reason and in such a
violent way. 170mph? He stood no chance! At
least now they put marshalls on both sides of
the track.
Videos:
http ://www . youtube .
com/watch?mode=related&v=IhEjCrfBwbM
http: //www . youtube .
com/watch?v=IhEjCrfBwbM&mode=related
What also amazes me is how the two just seem
to ignore that fact it has happened. I know
he is obviously dead but there doesn't even
seem to be any actions to acknowledge the
fact that they have just watched a man get
killed in such a horrific way. It wouldn't
have been apparent at that stage that Tom has
also been killed by the impact. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
djmysterious
Date:
2007-06-12
Time: 03:37:13
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yay! finnaly a email worth replying to
comparead to all the boring emails to do with
sx, looks, pedophiles, gays, etc on this site
at the moment.
yeh i saw the last part of the race from
roughly lap 30... just after that bad
accident...(whats the news on that as I'm
sure people have been talking about that
since and you lot prob' know about it before
i do as I'll find out about it when the next
race is on when i see it on TV).
was gonna watch the hightlights but thanks to
my sister flooding the bathroom and house out
that didn't happen!!
Well done hamilton tho for winning as i would
have image that would have been tough at
times for him keeping his posistion being new
to the sport of F1...
Hamilton is now my fav driver in F1 by the
way!! haha! |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-12
Time: 03:38:03
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They probably do that because the content is
so graphic.
I obviously have a cookie somewhere as I seem
to always be logged in whenever I go to the
site. I didn't realise you needed to be.
Sorry.
Worth watching though, just be prepared to
cringe. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-12
Time: 03:47:44
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DJ, I think there is a repeat of the
highlights on ITV3 or ITV4 in the midweek but
don't quote me on that.
To be honest, the highlights did nothing to
tell the true story of the race. There was so
much going on that they couldn't fit it all
into an hour show and it was only the live
screening that really showed the scale of the
crash.
The incident itself was scary but the time it
took to clear was perhaps the worst part. I
seriously thought the poor guy would have
either died or been seriously injured. I was
convinced he was dead for about 5-10 minutes
until they said he was stable. They were a
long 5-10 minutes I tell you! How do you show
that in a highlights show? It lost all effect
in not showing the aftermath and also knowing
that Robert was fine.
I don't blame ITV for cutting it obviously,
it's a highlights show after all, but it's
not the same. I guess it's the same as Match
of the Day highlights when you already know
the score or just see the goals. You see the
important bits but lose the flow and
excitement of the game. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
djmysterious
Date:
2007-06-12
Time: 08:54:11
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oh right. so i take it he went unconcious or
something?
I only got a glimpse of the reply of him
hitting what looked like a tyre wall,
launching into the air hitting a wall and the
car distintergrating as it went across the
the other side of the track ... and all i
heard was that it "was a bad crash that
looked like a plane crash" and just before
that he waited at a red light in the pit lane
to do with another safety car thing which i
missed as i wasn't watching at that point..
ok, I'll look out for that on freeview.
is there anyway of downloaded the race to cd
from of the internet? coz most TV stations do
these on demand download thingys but i don't
understand them or what site i have to go to
that will let me download them? any
ideas...if not I'll have to hope freeview
repeats it like u say they might. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
chris20
Status: Admin
Date:
2007-06-12
Time: 16:07:29
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Damn! The Tom Pryce accident is horrible.
Horrific seeing the marshall being hit. Not
much left of his body. :o(
Hard to believe how poor the safety
regulations were back then heh.
The first few seconds of the Tom Pryce clip
shows some guy running across the track. Had
he tripped whilst half way across what chance
would he have had? If that clip is indicative
of how often people ran across the track
during races in the past then surely it was
an inevitability that someone would be struck
by a car sooner or later.
So sad seeing the fatal crashes on Youtube.
youtube. com/watch?v=WiKTNQ_Wpuk
Never knew Ayrton Senna died on my 10th
birthday. :o(
Seems to take forever for medical assistance
to arrive at his crash. Glad I didn't watch
F1 in 1994, that'd have been so much worse to
see live.
Has anyone seen this clip?...
youtube. com/watch?v=wOVacN93ur4&NR=1
6 minutes 24 seconds into that video, who
crashed and did someone die? I'm assuming
from the racing drivers efforts and body
language there was someone trapped in the
race car that was on fire. :o(
The guy hit on the start line at 7 mins 40 in
that video, what was he trying to do exactly,
any ideas?
I think his head was moving a bit after the
accident so hopefully that's a good sign. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-15
Time: 03:14:49
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Chris,
The accident you mention that was 6m24s in
was the death of Roger Williamson during the
Dutch GP on 29 July 1973. It was only his
second GP. He was the last Brit to die in F1
before Pryce.
He was on his 7th lap when he hit the
barrier. His car flipped and stopped in the
position you see in the clip when it then
burst into flames. The guy who ran to his aid
was a friend and fellow racer by the name of
David Purley, who was coming up to lap him.
By the way, Purley wasn't even a team mate
but still abandonned his own race to come to
his rescue.
The fire marshalls did not have flame
retardant suits (which moron came up with
that idea?) but as a driver, Purley did. He
tried unsuccessfully to extinguish the fire
but Williamson died in the blaze. The cause
of death was actually asphyxiation rather
than burns. That is why drivers had oxygen
lines in their cars from the aftermath of
that crash. It is that oxygen line that you
saw Zorzi stuggling with in the second of the
videos I mentioned on the Tom Pryce crash
above.
See http ://www .youtube.
com/watch?v=DRYPbiyhPLs for a better video of
the incident. The saddest part is to watch
Purley when he realises that it's over. He is
truly distraught. The second saddest thing is
that the race was allowed to continue,
despite zero visibility. Maybe the officials
thought it was Purley's car on fire given his
actions?
As for the 7m40s incident, I don't know which
race that was nor who it involved.
By the way, the crash at 8m12s was the last
fatality in a race before that tragic weekend
at Imola 1994. Didier Pironi stalled his
engine on the pole of the 1982 Canadian GP.
Most of the grid got away but Ricardo
Paletti, who qualified last, crashed into the
back of him at about 100mph.
Whilst a few cars were caught up in the
incident, everyone got out of their cars
safely and without major injuries except for
Paletti who had massive chest injuries from
hitting the broken steering column.
Whilst Pironi and the on site doctor tended
to him, the fuel tank, which had ruptured in
the incident, ignited. Paletti was left for a
few moments while the fire was put ot and
then medical assistance continued. He died
shortly after arriving at hospital. It is a
testament to the safety standards in place at
the time that Paletti had no burns despite
the intensity and duration of the blaze.
A video can be found at http ://www .youtube.
com/watch?v=L6TLRKsAyd4
As for medical attention taking forever to
arrive with Senna, nobody went near him as he
was already obviously dead. I thought that
too at the time but realise now that he had
died instantly.
A further credit to him though, marshalls
found a blood soaked Austrian flag in his car
that he was going to fly instead of his
Brazilian one if he won the race in honour of
Roland Ratzenberger who had died during
qualifying the day before. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-15
Time: 13:35:55
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This thread seems to have gone from me
mentioning that it was a great race into
something really morbid. LOL
Watching that stuff makes you appreciate the
dangers in the sport though and how safety
standards in racing filter down into the cars
we drive which saves lives every day.  |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-17
Time: 15:03:49
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McLaren are a professional organisation and
do not think so narrowly as to favour a
rookie over a double world champion just
because of his nationality, nor the fact that
he has been close to the CEO for the last 11
years.
They are both given the same opportunity and
as a champion he should have the talent and
experience to prove he is worthy of the
title.
Lewis is a threat to him and he's actually
having to face up to it. It's easier to point
the finger than bite the bullet.
Let's hope we get a good race with more than
6 runners this afternoon... |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-17
Time: 19:46:49
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Well, a pretty uneventful GP but a good
result. Do you think he might actually win
the championship in his first season? I don't
want to jinx anything but it looks like a
definate possibility. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-17
Time: 19:48:08
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No problem Chris. I bet I must look like a
right F1 bore now? LOL.
Either boring or slightly disturbed. I think
both could be fair. LOL. |
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Re: Canadian GP |
djmysterious
Date:
2007-06-17
Time: 22:33:58
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you sound like a true F1 fan and a memeory
like a sponge!
I mean i remember crashes and stuff but not
nessarly who it involved years later...i do
remember the senner crash or what ever his
name was... But i wouldnt have been able to
say a year for when it happened for
example!!
I was up in Swindon again, Was listening to
BBC Radio 5 lives coverage of the American GP
today but had difficulties at times hearing
what was being said as i recieved a lot of
interference on my naff walkman style pocket
radio
Did i hear correct that Hamilton won again??
Good for him! Did two cars collide on the
first or second lap? what happened there as i
lost the signal for a few minutes just after
the race started and got a load of noise
instead and by time i got the signal back on
909 or 693AM (cant remember which now) they
weren't talking about it... so i missed what
actually happened...
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Re: Canadian GP |
pooleboy
Date:
2007-06-17
Time: 22:43:54
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You didn't miss much. Schumacher touched
Couthard in the first turns and took them
both out. That's about it. Barrichello also
went out with a suspension failure which I
think was part of the same incident but it
was nothing major.
I remember the Imola weekend vividly.
Admittedly though, the other incidents I had
to look up online for the dates but I knew of
the events, as well as a lot mor I've not
mentioned like the Senna vs Prost into the
first corner at Suzuka 2 years running and
deliberately taking each other out. That was
real racing!
I am sad aren't I? |
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