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Religious Debates
jackal Status: Admin Date: 2007-03-15 Time: 17:45:08	UKCB would like to remind everyone that the religious debates here should just be debates, and not filled with hate or uncivilised chat. We have received many complaints recently from irritated users and we have decided to act. Once a debate begins to irritate people or cause upset, we will consider removing the thread or locking it. A debate makes a forum - but let's not cause huge upset.
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steveger1 Date: 2007-03-16 Time: 16:52:01	can't believe ur all still persisting with all this religious fairy tales, thats all it is, wot about the real life, issues in the world today, all religion is just a made up fairy tale put in place to control and scare people many, many centuries ago, wake up people,
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-17 Time: 18:38:24	Ok, so i have read what you are all saying, but lets take a reality check here. Yes some people will become offended, and yes some people will think it's a waste of time deleting threads/forums and blame the mods, but for once I have to agree with Jackal. Believe me it doesn't happen often....... He has a duty to all those who use this service and he cannot please everyone. However I would rather seem him try to protect the users than let the minority of people have there say in an offensive or abusive way (opinion or not) in what could be described as a delicate subject which can cause offense easily. If you don't like it how it's run, you don't have to come back, at least he lets you exercise your freedom in that respect. Amen....
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pittsburghnative Date: 2007-03-17 Time: 21:34:17	steveger1, we really won't find out if it's a fairy tale until we die.... i think there is a higher being or beings.. i treat it as an opinion and you should what you said as an opinion.... fluke, why did you ask zanybelle if she was muslim?
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the_informer Date: 2007-03-17 Time: 21:42:02	i come on here sometimes and it is the same with other sites i use, the bigots and hate filled people seem to go from site to site shouting the same stuff in debates on religion, mostly islam and christianity. they dont know how silly they appear with their blinkered point of view.
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 13:25:36	Don't you lot ever stop and think about what you are writing???? You are slowly but surely starting to prove Jackal's point and losing what seems to be your own debate, about your freedom to say what you want on these threads/forums. Making personal attacks against each other does not make for a good debate, and I whole heartly agree that they should be removed be the Forum Team.
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 14:27:20	If you think that, then you do not know the true meaning of a debate. Personal attacked against others are the first sign that you are losing your arguement and have nothing else to resort to but a "personal attacke". End of story!!!!!! Why do you think the politicians of this country are so crap and our country is in the state that it is???? Because when they lose they drag up personal stories about others, which have no relevance to the arguement at hand. If you think that there is nothing wrong with a bit of personal attacking, well all I can say to that is "Yes you are entitled to your own opinion and I can't argue with that.." But I am happy to see you lose this arguement at the first hurdle.... smirks
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 14:52:59	Fluke, I think you miss the point I am trying to make, a "Debate" is not about having a laugh (in most cases) and it's certainly not about making personal attacked. I do have to say if you are going to be ignorant and childish and talk absolute dribble about the nature of this debate and make personal remarks about anyone, then may be you shouldn't really being using this?? Hmm isn't nice when someone else has something to say about you personally is it? Get the point!!!! Oh and just so you know, you are still losing the actual argument that you set out to do at the beginning.
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 16:49:32	hmm well well well 'catherine' it would seem that 'fluke' does care sweetpea, hence the reply from him..... and fluke yes maybe I do have other things I wish to say, but if i did then I would be personally attacking you within a debate, which is just pathetic. Although I will give you credit for recognising it. Now seriously are you all really this interested in the original reason for this forum or have you all just choosen to use it as a way of attacking others? I know what my opinion is, have a look and then think about it......
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 16:57:11	And for those to need this cleared up...this isn't the 'chatroom' that's the channels, this is the 'forum' and my interpretation of a forum is to have a debate within..... Although unfortunately a lot of people use it for other purposes and it turns out to be a [censored] take and a waste of time.
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 17:05:02	"Patronising"? This is only your interpretation, of what I say. Patronising is using a certain tone within the voice, which I am not doing. Words are merely words and can be used in many contexts. With many tones, and can be interpreted many many ways! It is the reader who chooses how to interpret and would interpret how they imagine themselves to say it, not the actual person saying it. However if you read up you will see outright personal attacks on a person's education for a start....this is my point! This forum/thread is no longer about the relgious debated that happen here, but a ways to attack people and what they say. Abusing and misinterpreting what is said. Maybe if these concepts were removed this particular forum wouldn't exsist.
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 17:26:27	Ok ok ok, it would seem that the "in crowd" who stick together and try to justify why they should be able to say what the want when they want and cause offense are having more fun here so I thought I would join in. I think religion is the biggest lot of crap to exist, it's an institution of brainwashing power freaks...a bit like UKCB... But people chose through there own freedom to follow the religion, just like people chose to come here and read these forums/threads. And if you think from the bottom of your heart that you are 100% right, then hell mend you "ohh did I contradict myself there"? hmmm does this mean because I have I am in the "in crowd"...and that is being patronising. AMEN....
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 17:34:13	lmfao @ fluke, you made a funny but on a more serious note, do you guys not hate the fact that you come across as what can be perceived as a racist...I personally would hate anyone whether they knew me from "adam" or not, to think that about me.
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 20:45:10	Hmm nice to see you are all discussing the matter at hand now Very impressed!!! And emmz you are bad cause you do bad things like drinking and smoking and have sex outwith marriage..tut tut!!!! I wanna be like supawhoever...I am gonna change my views to suit the wind...God Rawks
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 21:01:42	Emma you know you make a really good poit there!!! Who is it that punishes us in life, is it god? or is it ourselves because we think that god doesn't approve so we stop ourselves from doing what we desire?? Ok here's an example: I did something really bad in my life that religious critics would say was bad and I will go to hell for. But yet the only person really punishing me is me...so what if I go to hell, will I care when I am there? What I do care is that I am stopping my life just now and living by what can't be proven or disproved (as fluke quite rightly said)... As I saif an institution of brainwashing power freaks. If someone can prove to me that God, whoever that may be had a hand in writing the bible, then I will say I believe in it, but tell me it's some "man" who god spoke to and told to do it...or it was one of Jesus's Disciples and I will ask you to prove it... The truth is the bible has been written so many times over that no-one is really sure what the original one said...so how can we believe? Other than to chose to believe? We believe in Santa Claus, we tell our kids and kids in our family that Santa Claus is coming right? So for those who wish to believe that God exists let them, and leave them alone to do so. But those that believe also leave the ones who don't believe alone also. breaths
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 21:21:31	Hey emma, I might not believe in relgion, but I do believe in the Easter Bunny and he had better bring me a big chocolate egg. This lent thing is doing my nut in!!! Jesus offered up his life for us, the least I can do is offer up chocolate right??? But the Easter bunny better bring me a big chocolate egg, or I shall go nuts and start throwing things about again
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 22:04:11	sings: The sweetest things Mm hmmm U2 rawk, or was that UB40...ahhh who cares good tune. Now I'm the king of the swingers yeah, the jungle V.I.P's I've reach the top and had to stop and that's what's bothering me......
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kaz261980 Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 22:39:25	these religion threads are essential to people who need to constantly debate about these things. Fluke you are always playing devils advocate trying to envoke a reaction Allez you always disagree and cathy you are agree with a lot of what is said. Then bored luton comes in and makes a derogoratory comment. yous need to stop arguing and agree to disagree and create a new debate. just my popinion fluke which you said i was entitled to so alls fair goodnite I respect all your views yous all have valid points
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kaz261980 Date: 2007-03-18 Time: 23:23:53	reindeers????? Im an atheist I dont believe in any of it. And as for quoting from religious scriptures( my [censored]ing arse)After saying this though people are entitled to their beliefs as long as as it doesnt infringe on others human rights. I just dont understand how people swallow religion hook, line and sinker.
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doh Date: 2007-03-19 Time: 13:20:24	Since the topic of discussion is "religion" and it is my opinions that religion is bad and the evil of our human history how would express that urgent message without upsetting anyone? Simply trying to tell people that the NT condones slavery is enough to get any ardent Christians knickers in a twist. That said if I ever offend someone on here pertaining to my opinions about religion you must accept YOUR responsibility in not letting you yourself get offended.
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-19 Time: 21:00:29	Hmm yes again we have seemed to trail off the actual debate again and start to slag people off...tut tut tut. What a crap debate you people provide. As the dude that just signed in on my [censored] says "What's the point...?" Well I have to agree with one or more of you somewhere I read that religion doesn't start war, it's the people that start it...Well here's my opinion on your less than intelligent comment. "It's the people of religion who start the wars"...hence the religious war, and any other war, started by beliefs and somewhere in it religion, cause lets face it beliefs come from religion. Some more that others. However bombs are not about religion, they are just crazy insane people who want to take over the world chuckles who use religion as an excuse instead of standing up and telling the truth... Yes my final point here is religion is something to hide behind in most cases, but I am all for freedom of choice, just don't push you bible views onto others....
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randomxxmadam Date: 2007-03-19 Time: 21:08:28	haha i see your point about people starting wars but there is allways a hint of religon thron in there and as for the people doing the susid boms they are about religon as they think they will sit on the right hand of aller if they sacufise there life for him and they are made to think this my the religos leader ect .(btw i am not slagging muslims off as my dad is one) and as for they bible stuff i dont belive in trying tochange people religon as it is there own will and am not a catholic altho i was brought up as one .
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-19 Time: 21:09:21	Again, I am sorry I just want to stress here that I don't think bombing is funny, and what I said may be read that way.... I just plan to take over the world...just like the dude from Austin Powers and his mini me "muahahahaha" Althought I want a pink suit
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-19 Time: 21:22:03	Hmm ok Random Madam, is that your name, sorry if I got it wrong I think I know what you are trying to say, but here's an arguement. The Koran say's you must not kill Woman and Children, so I am lead to believe, I shall admit that I haven't read it myself, but I have plenty of friends who follow it's beliefs. Yet they say they are sacraficing themselves for their leader, and in doing so kill Woman and Children? Contradiction?????? So, in my opinion that is like saying their god, or leader spoke to them and told them that they are the chosen ones that must do this? Again my opinion crazeeeee people, with voices in their heads, or need someone to interpret their dreams for them properly. People who think that, and actually carry out acts of murder are crazy! They need help!...and I must stress again this is my opinion.
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randomxxmadam Date: 2007-03-19 Time: 21:29:00	i dont no for shore but i think they are told that the hole of the westen world are sinners so they therfor see they as not human . an i totaly agrre with u they must be mad but if u acherly look at hu has started to comit the crimes its normal 20 year olds that has been brought up in england and have english frends . an my name is laura not randam madam i only put dat cause all the others were taken
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DevilDoesPoundland Date: 2007-03-19 Time: 21:47:39	Ok 20 olds that live in England, and have been brought up in England no doubt, who go out drinking and taking drugs at the weekend clubbing? Maybe what you would call sinners??? Still doesn't prevent the fact that they use religion to hide behind the crimes they commit....Religion it's self is not the problem here, as far as bombings of the western world in the past few years. It's people who have premeditated their actioned and set out to kill people and themselves. Tell me the difference in setting out to kill a Child in cold blood and setting out to kill by bombing in cold blood? Only difference I can see is the bombings are like to kill in mass and cause structura damage to surrounding areas... It's both still done in cold blood, by what we as a society label crazy insane people.
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aversion Date: 2007-03-20 Time: 23:52:46 Edited by:fsm	"You like like one of them dudes off Home and Away that stand on the Beach giving it " Hullloooooo" " lmfao!! nice comparison lol erm, on the topic of the thread though... my ex and current best friend is a Muslim, i myself am very interested in Islam, am actually making my way through reading the Qur'an For allazwarrior... [edited] (how are you allazwarrior, keep up the good work on here)
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lola_rocknrolla Date: 2007-03-21 Time: 23:20:34	oooooooooooh dear just accept that we're never gona be an all white all english/scottish/welsh/irish/n irish place its always gona be mixed racially and culturally so whats the point in all this and kp, DONT be getin yr boobs out thanks.
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nebula Date: 2007-03-21 Time: 23:40:44	In this country allaz we have a thing called humour, we like to laugh it things its healthy. If ur offended by the way someone wears something or not its up to us really. If we say something wrong then so be it but the pictures have been approved end of discussion
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rasputin_01 Date: 2007-03-22 Time: 20:50:39	I cannot agree with Steve, Christianity is not about religion, it is about a person.A person that existed in history, and whom I have followed for 49 years.In this modern world, that person whom I follow causes me to show his love in the world, and this I do educating 85 kids in the Philippines, and giving each one a meal every school day.And I say, that if Jesus Christloved me enough to die form my imperfections, what is it that I should do this in obedience to him?
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teddyone Date: 2007-03-23 Time: 04:45:37	as for as for rusputin jesus died for yur sins wot sins did u commit lol i commited a sin and they killed my brother does this make sense to u? the soul that sinneth shall die!!!!!!!!!!! not that i sin and u r punished this aint justice.
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abu
Date: 2007-04-29
Time: 22:47:59

Sikh Dharam
An example of a Religious Syncretism/Cultural
Synthesis

Definition

The word Culture means the traditions of a
set of people, comprising of patterns of
behaviour and thought passed on from one
generation to the next. The notion includes
the groups’ philosophy, principles, language
etc. (Crystal, David, 2000, p309)

The word synthesis means to combine or put
together (objects or ideas) to make a complex
whole. (Brown, Lesley, 1993)

The word syncretism consists in the effort to
unite a diverse opposing precept especially
in regards to philosophy and religion in
order to reconcile or harmonise between the
two. (ibid)

Therefore, it would be correct to say, that
the definition of cultural synthesis is a
combination of different cultures combining
into becoming a unique culture of its own.

Introduction

The example that I have chosen would be more
appropriate to refer to, as a mixture of
cultural synthesis and religious syncretism.
This is because although there are many
cultural syntheses within the Sikh dharam,
there are also the amalgamations of religious
dogma in the Sikh dharam. This is
comprehensible because the religion
originated from India, and many Sikhs who
converted to the dharam were in fact from the
Hindu background.
For my essay, I will begin by describing the
religion to the reader, their belief, customs
and description of their outer appearances.
Thereafter I will discuss the elements of
adaptation that the Sikh dharam has
incorporated from other mainstream religions
such as Hinduism/Brahmanism and Islam. After
discussing these elements, I will conclude
and provide my personal reflection on the
religion and its syntheses in an epilogue.

Sikh Dharam

A person named Guru Nanak founded the Sikh
dharam, which emerged in the 16th century
between India and Pakistan in a place called
Punjab. After the death of Guru Nanak, the
religion went through significant changes at
the hands of nine successive gurus.
Sikh dharam took shape in a land where the
cultural dominance was of the Hindus and the
authoritative dominance was of the Mughal
Muslims. Nanak a trouble- some child in the
eyes of his parents, would not pay attention
to his worldly affairs and would spend a lot
of time contemplating in seeking spiritual
enlightenment (Cole, Owen, 1994, p19). Much
of Guru Nanak’s time would be spent in
discussions with pundits of the Brahman
religion and clerics of Islam (Panesar,
Rajinder Singh, 2002, p8). Guru Nanak was
much intrigued with other philosophical
concepts thus he travelled to many countries
such as Baghdad and Saudi Arabia. His closest
companion who accompanied him in many of his
travels was a Muslim (Singh, Gurbachan, 1998,
p13).
Sikh (disciple) is a person who believes in
monotheism, and who adheres to some rules of
conduct in regards to customs and creed. A
male Sikh would preserve the five ‘Ks’ which
consists of keeping a beard without cutting
any part of their bodily hair, wear a Kada
(bracelet), Kanga (comb), Kirpan (sword or
dagger), and Kaccha (Breeches). Sikhs also
wear a turban, carry a sword and wear loose
clothing. As for a Sikh woman, she observes a
headscarf, which is known as a duppatta or a
chunni.
Their Scripture, the Adi Granth (Guru Granth
Sahib), is comprised of poems and Ragas
(songs) composed by the first five Gurus, and
hymns of many Hindus and mystic Sufis. The
most outstanding Sufi verses are the
collections of Sant Kabir, Sheikh Farid and
Sheikh Bhikan (Cole, Owen, 1994, p107). The
Adi Granth has 292 hymns connected with
Kabir, 4 hymns and 130 shaloks (couplets) of
Sheikh Farid and 2 hymns of Sheikh Bhikan
(Singh, Sahib, Sant Singh, Khalsa, English
Translation, online).

Hindu Elements

The Sikh celebrations are somewhat similar to
the Hindu festivals. The Sikhs celebrate the
Vaishaki, Holi named as Hola Mohalla and the
Diwali. The Sikhs also celebrate the Birth
anniversary of Guru Nanak and the Martyrdom
(Shaheed) of other Gurus that were killed.

Hinduism is the oldest religion in South
Asia. The religion has its own tenets of
belief as well as its customs. Guru Nanak was
born in a Hindu family (Panesar, Rajinder
Singh, 2002, p8) and naturally, consciously
or not, Guru Nanak held on to some parts of
his family's customs and traditions.
Moreover, this explains why the Sikh gurus
were not discontented with customs such as
Diwali, Vaishaki and Holi. The Sikhs
celebrate all the mentioned festivals bearing
different meanings compared to the Hindus.

Diwali

Diwali (Deepvali) is the festival of lights
celebrated by Hindus and Sikhs alike. For the
Hindus it is a festival that marks the
victory of good over evil (Kanitkar, V.P.
Hemant, 1989, p34). As for the Sikhs, Guru
Amar Das institutionalised the celebration of
diwali for his followers to receive his
blessings at Goindwal (Cole, Owen, 1994,
p82). The day is also significant for the
Sikhs as on this day Guru Harogobind and
other Hindu Rajas were released by Emperor
Jahangir from Gwalior (McLeod, Hew, 1997,
p152).

Hindu women preparing for diwali
Sikh flyer leaflet
advertising Sikh diwali event

Vaishaki

Vaishaki or Baishaki is a significant day for
some north Indian states, including the
Punjab, this day marks the ripening of the
rabi harvest and it is regarded as the New
Year for the beginning and the ending of the
cycle of agriculture by the villagers
(McLeod, Hew, 1997, p152). As for the Sikhs,
this marks the day when Guru Gobind Singh
formed the martial brotherhood known as the
Khalsa. Gobind Singh baptised five Sikhs
(paanj piyare) who were ready to give their
lives for the religion. The day is considered
the birthday of the Khalsa and many Sikhs
choose this day to take the amrit (a sweet
fluid) in order to be baptised. Once the
Sikhs are baptised they vow to observe the
five ‘Ks’ and thus become to be known as
Amritdhaaris. (Cole, Owen, 1994, p81)

Punjabis celebrating the harvest.
A pre Sikh celebration of Baishaki would look
something similar A Sikh Baishaki
Card

Baishaki is also a month in Bengali when
harvest takes place thus the name of the
month Baishakh mash (month).

Holi

Holi is a celebration of the victory of good
over evil. Many Hindus believe that this day
Holika (a demo-ness), was defeated by her
nephew Prahlad, who believed in the Lord
Vishnu and rejected the worship of his father
Hiranyakashyap. Holika, who is immune to the
destruction of fire, carries Prahlad into a
blazing flame on the command of her brother
Hiranyakashyap. Prahlad survives the fire
with the help of divine intervention and
instead Holika meets her destruction from the
fire. Symbolically men and women throw dye
colour at each other to mark this day of
celebration. (Kanitkar, V.P. Hemant, 1989,
p36)
The Sikhs celebrate the day with a different
meaning attached to it. Instead of calling
this celebration with the name Holi, the
Sikhs call it the day of Hola Mohalla. In
1680, Guru Gobind Singh summoned the Sikhs on
this day to assemble in Anandpur to engage in
mock battles and military exercises (McLeod,
Hew, 1997, p153). The idea was to
differentiate the Sikhs from the Hindus,
making the day unique for the Sikhs. However,
the Hindu manner of celebration is still
existent and Sikhs still celebrate the day by
throwing dye at each other.

Hindu Celebration of Holi Sikh
Celebration

Guru-ship

In Hindu, tradition if a person desires to
attain wisdom, high spiritual knowledge and
the realisation of God. Then he will have to
become a disciple of a guru. A guru is a
person who has attained a realisation of God
and thus instructs the chela (disciple) the
way to attain this realisation (Hinnels, John
R, 1984, p138). The word meaning Gu
(Darkness) Ru (light) is a person who guides
a person from the darkness to the light of
guidance.

The Gurus of the Sikh dharam are similarly
spiritual guides who have procured the title
from the Sant traditions (a tradition that
stresses the need for interior religion
rather than outward). (Cole, Owen, 1994,
p20)

Hindu Guru Sikh Guru

Cremation

After the soul has departed from the body,
the body is then dressed in the five Ks. The
body is then transported to the crematorium,
and once placed on the pyre, the eldest son
or a close relative ignites the fire.
Throughout the process, a ritual reading is
recited and thereafter the ashes are then
scattered in a river or a sea (Cole, Owen,
1994, p67-9).

In the Hindu tradition, the custom is to
cremate the dead. Apart from dressing the
dead with the five Ks, the Hindus similarly
cremate the body in the same fashion with the
eldest son igniting the fire (Kanitkar,
V.P.Hemant, 1989, p27-9).

Hindu Cremation Sikh Mass Cremation

Karma

Hindus and Sikhs alike believe in the
incarnation of the soul after death. In order
to attain liberation (Moksha) and to put an
end to the Samsara (cycle of re-birth) the
soul (atman) needs to follow the Dharma (code
of conduct). Depending on a persons Karma
(good and bad deeds) a soul can reach moksha
and will thus put an end to the Samsara
(Kanitkar, V.P.Hemant, 1989, p99).

The Sikhs also share the same belief of karma
and the soul's transmigration from one soul
on to another. The life of this world is
deemed torturous until a person becomes one
with God. Once a person attains unity with
God-It is only then he or she is released
from the torment of life. (Cole, Owen, 1994,
p66)

Islamic Elements

Creed

Muslims believe in monotheism, which means
that only Allah (deity) is the only one who
deserves to be worshipped. Only Allah is the
Preserver, Sustainer, and Provider of this
universe. As Islam was a dominant force in
India authoritatively, many people would have
come to know about the creed of Islam.
Similarly, the Sikh dharam believes in one
God, the one abstract being who is
incomprehensible. Guru Nanak was very
intrigued by Islam and as mentioned above he
would spend a lot of time trying to
understand the different religions. He
travelled to many countries to understand and
seek answers for his questions and this has
definitely contributed to his philosophy.

Lexis

There are many words found in the Sikh
dharam, which have been borrowed from Islam
and Hinduism. Most of these lexical words are
found in the tenet of faith. There are Hindu
names of God found in the scriptures as well
as Islamic. From amongst these the word Allah
is found. The name ‘Allah’ is derived from
the root word ‘ilah’ in Arabic, which means
the one who is worshipped. The suffixing of
Al to make the word into definite denotes
that the only one deserving of worship is
Allah. In addition to this, Allah has several
attributes of characteristics, and they are
Ar-Rabb (The Lord), Ar- Raheem (The Merciful)
and Karim (The Benevolent). All of these
words are used by the Sikhs to describe God
in the Sikh dharam.

Hukam the divine command in the Sikh dharam
is found traced back to Islam. This Arabic
word is also found in the Qur'an. Muslims
believe that the hukam or legislation is only
from Allah. It is mentioned in the Qur'an
'Innil HUKMU illa lillah'. Indeed the command
is only for Allah (Chapter 12: verse 40).

A Sikh person will usually begin his writings
or will address the sangat (gudwara
congregation) by saying 'vahiguru ka Khalsa,
vahiguru ka fateh'. This phrase means that
the Khalsa is for God and victory is for God.
The word 'fateh' is also mentioned in the
Qur'an on many occasions, and has the same
meaning.

When a Muslim dies in Islam defending his
land, or is killed because of his religious
belief he is considered a 'Shaheed'. The word
'Shaheed' comes from the Arabic word meaning
a witness. Because of his strong belief he
did not waver despite of being killed so this
is why his belief is as if he witnessed the
truth in reality and thus was ready to
sacrifice his life. Similarly, the Sikh
dharam has adapted this terminology to mean
the same.

Scripture

Unlike the Qur'an (Muslim scripture) the Adi
Granth is not regarded as a revelation from
God, it is but a collection of hymns and
prayers of the Gurus, Sants, and Muslim
clerics.
In the Adi Granth the scripture of the Sikhs,
there are many verses, which have an
analogous meaning to the Qur'an. This can be
due to a high influence of Kabir or because
of a conscious duplication of the verses of
the Qur'an. Whatever the reason it can be
definitely be stated the ideas of the dharam
are influenced and not unique to itself.

In the Guru Granth Sahib, (sahib an Arabic
word-meaning companion) it is mentioned:

'Dukh Mein sumirana sabh karein. Sukh mein
karein na koya. Jo sukh mein sumirana karein.
To dukh kaye hoye?'

'In times of trouble, God is remembered by
all. But none remembers Him during peace and
happiness. If God is remembered in good times
of happiness why should trouble occur?'

Compare this with the following verse of the
Qur'an:

'When some trouble toucheth man, he cried
unto his Lord, turning to Him in repentance.
But when He bestoweth a favour upon him as
from Himself, (man) doth forget what he cried
and prayed for before, and he doth set up
rivals unto Allah. (C39: V8)
It is mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib:
'There exists but one God, who is called The
True, The Creator, free from fear and hate,
Immortal, not begotten, self existent, Great
and Compassionate.

Compare this with the Qur’an:

Allah is He, than whom there is there is no
other deity. (C 59: V22)

This is so, because Allah is the Reality
(True): It is He who gives life to the dead,
and it is He who has power over all things.
(C 22: V6)

He is Allah the Creator (C 59:V24)

Allah! There is no god but He-the Living, the
Self-Subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can
seize Him nor sleep. (C2:V225)

Say He is Allah the One and Only, Allah the
Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He
begotten. (C112:V1-3)

He knoweth the unseen and that which is open;
He is the Great the most High (C13:V9)

For Allah is to all people most surely full
of compassionate, most Merciful. (C2:V143)